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Old 12-10-2018, 08:52 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Mueller tells me that your approval is vital to him.

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Old 12-10-2018, 08:54 AM
 
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There was no evidence of hacking.

Russian trolls, supported by Putins regime, pushed propaganda that favored Trump because they wanted him to win. He has people throughout his cabinet with ties to Russia who pushed favorable outcomes in US policy towards Russia, and Trump is obviously up to his neck in Russian laundered money going back decades.

Impeachable? Not sure. Most of the pro Trump people here hate liberals and would have voted for Ted Bundy vs Hillary. The people in question were those on the cusp who were swayed by the e-mail scandal and propaganda.

It isn't as cut and dried as "the voting machines were hacked!!". It's about where allegiances are held, and you have a President who lost the popular vote by close to 3 Million, which already makes many people question his legitimacy. It's not a good situation.
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:56 AM
 
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Who hacked the election?
This is breaking news. Got a link?





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aevtHHULag&t=14s

The 6 degrees of Don Bovine-o.
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:56 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:56 AM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Two points here.
1. The DNC owed Bernie nothing. Hillary is a lifelong Democrat and Bernie (who I voted for in the primary) was a Democrat for 10 minutes.

2. What you need to take seriously is the Mueller investigation. Words don`t matter as much as the law.
Two points here


1. What about the DNC giving Hillary the questions prior to the debate? Should we just ignore that she tried to have an unfair advantage during the election? Isn't that an "attack on our democracy" too? Where's the outrage? Or are we just ignoring that?


2. I get it, the press doesn't care, therefore you don't care--my point remains. It doesn't matter what was uncovered. We'll just talk about how it was uncovered.
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:57 AM
 
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One can imagine that many criminals are sick and tired of law enforcement officials investigating their crimes.
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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Why is the President investing so much of his time with Mueller if it is all smoke and mirrors.
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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1. The rules of the Democrat party were followed. Now there are new rules in place to open up the system.

2. Trump, Staff, Family and friends were caught by the Patriot Act. Ironic as the GOP installed that one. The first to be caught was a GOP POTUS.
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:01 AM
 
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Make no mistake. Hacking the 2016 election was an act of war. The aim was every bit as much to devastate the American homeland as Pearl Harbor or 9/11.

Mueller is necessary because in the past, we have risen to the defense of our values, our ideologies and our institutions. Our leadership is not. Why?
I don't disagree, but Russia has been attacking us in this way for decades. We knew since way back in the Reagan era when he established the Active Measures Working Group that the USSR had a long term (decades long) plan to destroy us from within. This war has been going on a long time, mainly our intelligence agencies that really understand the significance.

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Old 12-10-2018, 09:02 AM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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There was no evidence of hacking.

Russian trolls, supported by Putins regime, pushed propaganda that favored Trump because they wanted him to win. He has people throughout his cabinet with ties to Russia who pushed favorable outcomes in US policy towards Russia, and Trump is obviously up to his neck in Russian laundered money going back decades.

Impeachable? Not sure. Most of the pro Trump people here hate liberals and would have voted for Ted Bundy vs Hillary. The people in question were those on the cusp who were swayed by the e-mail scandal and propaganda.

It isn't as cut and dried as "the voting machines were hacked!!". It's about where allegiances are held, and you have a President who lost the popular vote by close to 3 Million, which already makes many people question his legitimacy. It's not a good situation.

What policies did Trump and Putin have in common? From what I can tell, Putin would have only favored Trump due to his hard stance against NATO. Putin has wanted to weaken NATO for a while now, and Trump has threatened to pull the US out of NATO due to the other countries lack of commitment to funding. From what I can tell, that's probably the only reason Putin would have wanted Trump to win. They had a mutually agreed upon goal--but for different reasons behind it.

Outside of that, is there anything else that they have agreed on?
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