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Old 12-12-2018, 09:24 PM
 
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How convenient for you and yours you constantly leave out the part where Trump said on multiple occasions, even phonetically saying it, that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. He did not phonetically state Mexico is going to reimburse the US for the wall.
Oh, he did...later.

You see, Trump is never wrong because he eventually blabbers out every possible angle of every issue - usually after advisors tell him that what he said was BS and can't be done. So he walks it back. Then further back. Etc.

He has done that with every issue. Note that our balanced budget is now record debt and Trillion dollar deficits forever. More people on health insurance - for less - now means less, for more.

A reduced trade deficit - now means the increased trade deficit we now have.

Opposite world.

 
Old 12-12-2018, 09:27 PM
 
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No, Trump is to blame for making such an idiotic statement and an even bigger idiot for saying Mexico will pay for it. Yet amazingly his supporters still believe what he says.

Why would you care when it would still be cheaper to fund the wall than the continued expense of the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us? You'd be saving money.


I certainly don't care one way or another who pays for it based on the above. The bottom line is that we need the wall for the safety and security of our citizens. You and yours have your priorities all screwed up. Your foaming at the mouth hatred of Trump blinds you to that. Has every president always kept every promise that they made? Most of the time it wasn't because they were lying but because they weren't able to fulfill their promises even though they tried. Presidents aren't dictators you know but because it's Trump you won't cut him any slack. The wall isn't going to cost you one thin dime vs the costs of illegal immigration so your lame arguments are moot!


Were you and yours just as enraged when congress passed the wall bill back in 2006? Of course you weren't but this is Trump trying to fund it and build it, so............Hypocrites!
 
Old 12-12-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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even if the taxpayer had to pay for the wall it would still be a lot cheaper than continuing to foot the bill for over $100 billion year for the social costs of illegal immigration. So just what's your argument about the money then? You'd be saving money.
Just because you spew out a number doesn't make it real.

Here is that Liberal - the BUSH CENTER - on immigration:
https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/...igh-costs.html

"Immigration has net benefits. The fact that it has some costs is not a reason to bar it, but rather to manage it."

So your 100 billion is over 100 billion off. What if you truly found out it was a benefit? Would you feel differently?
 
Old 12-12-2018, 09:28 PM
 
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Bud...Chuckie and Pelosi shouldn't have to give Trump a thing. Until January Republicans controls the House and the Senate he should have the votes.
Well evidently something ain't going right.
 
Old 12-12-2018, 09:29 PM
 
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This again??? Polly wanna a cracker. Squawk, squawk.
Must be one of the gullible ones.
 
Old 12-12-2018, 09:31 PM
 
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"Immigration has net benefits. The fact that it has some costs is not a reason to bar it, but rather to manage it."

So your 100 billion is over 100 billion off. What if you truly found out it was a benefit? Would you feel differently?

There's that mixing of legal and illegal again.
 
Old 12-12-2018, 09:57 PM
 
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Why would you care when it would still be cheaper to fund the wall than the continued expense of the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us? You'd be saving money.

I certainly don't care one way or another who pays for it based on the above. The bottom line is that we need the wall for the safety and security of our citizens. You and yours have your priorities all screwed up. Your foaming at the mouth hatred of Trump blinds you to that. Has every president always kept every promise that they made? Most of the time it wasn't because they were lying but because they weren't able to fulfill their promises even though they tried. Presidents aren't dictators you know but because it's Trump you won't cut him any slack. The wall isn't going to cost you one thin dime vs the costs of illegal immigration so your lame arguments are moot!


Were you and yours just as enraged when congress passed the wall bill back in 2006? Of course you weren't but this is Trump trying to fund it and build it, so............Hypocrites!
the hundred billion dollar figure you continue to throw around is debunked garbage from FAIRUS or CIS.

https://www.cato.org/blog/cis-exagge...nt-welfare-use

Four Reasons Why Report on Immigrant Welfare Use Is Wrong : Immigration Impact
 
Old 12-12-2018, 10:12 PM
 
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She did not call his bluff. He repeatedly told her that he had the House votes he needed but needed 10 more votes from the Senate and she just kept repeating the same old thing about putting on a ballot when he would again tell her what's the point since he won't get those votes from the Democrats.
He said he'd be proud to shut down the government "over border security". How convenient for you and yours to leave that last part out. Typical though.
I'm glad that this was a public meeting so the rest of the country can see where Pelosi and Schumer stand on border security.
If he had the votes in the house he would have gotten it passed there, clearly he doesn't. He wants Democrats to bail him out and there is absolutely no reason that they should do so.

And the wall is just red meat for the base, we don't need it and democrats don't want to pay for it. If he wants a wall then he should get Mexico to pay for it like he said he would, or he should treat Democrats with some respect and negotiate with them
 
Old 12-12-2018, 10:28 PM
 
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the hundred billion dollar figure you continue to throw around is debunked garbage from FAIRUS or CIS.

https://www.cato.org/blog/cis-exagge...nt-welfare-use

Four Reasons Why Report on Immigrant Welfare Use Is Wrong : Immigration Impact

And the "debunk" is biased distortions. Why shouldn't "anchor babies" be counted in teh services consumed when they wouldn't be here if not for their illegal parents? Why should their undefined and assumed contributions as adults be counted when we can import all the legal immigrants we need or want after they are already contributors? We don't need to support a Honduran kid for 20 years in order to get a 25 yr old Honduran warehouse worker when we can issue a permit and get a 25 yr old Honduran warehouse worker at any moment.


The figures that say $100 billion per year don't even include many of the costs such as the additional crime.
 
Old 12-12-2018, 10:33 PM
 
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If he had the votes in the house he would have gotten it passed there, clearly he doesn't. He wants Democrats to bail him out and there is absolutely no reason that they should do so.

And the wall is just red meat for the base, we don't need it and democrats don't want to pay for it. If he wants a wall then he should get Mexico to pay for it like he said he would, or he should treat Democrats with some respect and negotiate with them

Why pass it in the House if it won't pass in the Senate? What's the difference between a bill that passes one chamber and a bill that passes no chambers? Answer - nothing.



But it IS possible it wouldn't pass the House as it stands. If I'm a rep(R) and I know it would fail in the Senate, I might not expend my political capital to pass it whereas if I knew it would pass in the Senate I might not want to be the one to kill it.
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