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Old 12-10-2018, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Because they have to make removing him look legitimate. They have to pin something on him, whether it's a fake Russia claim or some financial crime. They can't just remove him because he beat Hillary even though that's the real reason they all want him gone. They know if they just removed him this country would destroy itself.
McKinnley got shot by an anarchist, maybe that was the Deep State putting in Teddy. Lincoln getting shot might have been a Deep State plot knowing Andrew Johnson wasn't a Radical Republican and could balance the Congress. Nixon being a part of Watergate (and Agnew with his state corruption), maybe that was the Deep State putting Ford in to guarantee Carter. Bill Clinton's impeachment could have been a Deep State plot to remove him OR to reduce Republican power. W. Bush pushing Cheney for his running-mate was a Deep State plot for continuing the War Machine and US influence abroad. Carter's economic woes and the Ted Kennedy snub, maybe that was a fix to put Reagan in office... See how weird this rabbit hole can get on either side if you look at it in a certain lens.
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Old 12-10-2018, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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You're talking from the sane point of view that this is all a sham to begin with though. There are people who honestly believe that Trump is different from Obama who was different from Bush who was different from Clinton and on and on.

We call these people Statists and they are well over 99% of the population. So as you noted, the money will be printed, stolen, and spent. The circus elections will be had. Dead former heads-of-states will be celebrated as gods (McCain, Bush Sr.). Everything is running smooth as silk.


The only slight difference might be that Trump isn't EXPANDING the wars...so far...
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Default If The Deep State is Real, Why Isn't Trump Out of Power Yet?

Because Trump is part of the show. Are you not entertained?
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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McKinnley got shot by an anarchist, maybe that was the Deep State putting in Teddy. Lincoln getting shot might have been a Deep State plot knowing Andrew Johnson wasn't a Radical Republican and could balance the Congress. Nixon being a part of Watergate (and Agnew with his state corruption), maybe that was the Deep State putting Ford in to guarantee Carter. Bill Clinton's impeachment could have been a Deep State plot to remove him OR to reduce Republican power. W. Bush pushing Cheney for his running-mate was a Deep State plot for continuing the War Machine and US influence abroad. Carter's economic woes and the Ted Kennedy snub, maybe that was a fix to put Reagan in office... See how weird this rabbit hole can get on either side if you look at it in a certain lens.
Leon Czolgosz, McKinley's assassin, was a Statist who favored socialism or state-communism. He was not an anarchist by the proper definition.
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:09 PM
 
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To those of you who believe that Trump is being persecuted by the Deep State, Why is he not out of office? Don't you think the Deep State would have prevented him from taking power in the first place and if when he did have a plan to take care of it by now? I think keeping someone in power as long as he has would work against any attempt by the Deep State to undermine him...
Silly you. You're trying to use logic on Bat Sh*t Crazy people. That never works
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The only slight difference might be that Trump isn't EXPANDING the wars...so far...
True on the conventional war front but the drone strikes are through the roof. Obama thought he was good at killing people via drone? Trump makes him look like an amateur.

As long as the money supply is protected and the status quo is upheld there's no need to kick up a conventional war right now. Israel is still getting their $13 million per day. Asia and Europe are still be protected by us from phantom enemies. Tariffs are all the rage. The insurance and drug companies are still rolling in Obamacare dough. All is right with the world...for the elites.
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I'm not sure about Trump being persecuted, but I do believe there's a "deep state"...I'd just say that if they do anything too obvious like preventing him from taking power, that would raise a lot of red flags for people.

Long story short, priority #1 is making sure the population still buys into the current system. As much as they might dislike Trump, it's worse to do something stupid that makes everyone question the system altogether.

But as I said, I don't know if it's a big conspiracy or not...just using common sense.

To believe that the deep state does not exist, you have to believe Natalia Veselnitskaya meeting with Glenn Simpson before and after the Trump Tower meeting in which she went fishing for the offer of a quid pro quo form Jr. on the Magnitsky Act sanctions was a coincidence.

You have to believe her entry into the US under “extraordinary circumstances” as approved by the Obama state department was a coincidence.

You have to believe that she was not wearing an FBI wire to the meeting hoping that Jr would offer something for the "dirt" she claimed to have on Hillary.

You have to believe that Nellie Ohr's employment at Fusion GPS was a coincidence.

You have to believe that Bruce Ohr functioning as a go-between for Peter Strzok and Christopher Steele while Steele was dealing Russian state actors and his wife worked for Glenn Simpson at Fusion GPS was a coincidence.

You have to believe that Glenn Simpson having connections to the Obama DOJ (Nellie Ohr), the Clinton campaign (Steele, Perkins Coie) and Russian Intellegence (Natalia Veselnitskaya) is all very normal and nothing that should cause anyone be alarmed.
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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To believe that the deep state does not exist, you have to believe Natalia Veselnitskaya meeting with Glenn Simpson before and after the Trump Tower meeting in which she went fishing for the offer of a quid pro quo form Jr. on the Magnitsky Act sanctions was a coincidence.

You have to believe her entry into the US under “extraordinary circumstances” as approved by the Obama state department was a coincidence.

You have to believe that she was not wearing an FBI wire to the meeting hoping that Jr would offer something for the "dirt" she claimed to have on Hillary.

You have to believe that Nellie Ohr's employment at Fusion GPS was a coincidence.

You have to believe that Bruce Ohr functioning as a go-between for Peter Strzok and Christopher Steele while Steele was dealing Russian state actors and his wife worked for Glenn Simpson at Fusion GPS was a coincidence.

You have to believe that Glenn Simpson having connections to the Obama DOJ (Nellie Ohr), the Clinton campaign (Steele, Perkins Coie) and Russian Intellegence (Natalia Veselnitskaya) is all very normal and nothing that should cause anyone be alarmed.
You would also have to believe that the {R}s first hired fusion GPS and passed it off to Hillary and what a coincidence that John Mc Cain sends a aid to pick up the dossier and turns it over to the FBI. hmmmm.
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Here and there
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If there is a deep state and it is as obvious as some claim, how inept are our elected officials who are not a part of it? As it would seem to undermind the will of the people, I would think any politician not involved would be yelling from rooftops.
If the deep state is a left leaning entity I would think the likelyhood of a right side majority in the House or Senate would be unlikely.
If the deep state is a right leaning device then one would think Hillary and Obama would be locked deep inside some prison somewhere, never to be heard from again.
Or, it could just be a crutch to explain why things do not always go the way someone wants. Que the illuminati, the Knights Templar, the Rothchilds, the Rockefellers, etc.. Something or someone to blame when none is obvious. Afterall, blame is so much better to give than recieve.
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Old 12-10-2018, 09:21 PM
 
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If there is a deep state and it is as obvious as some claim, how inept are our elected officials who are not a part of it? As it would seem to undermind the will of the people, I would think any politician not involved would be yelling from rooftops.
If the deep state is a left leaning entity I would think the likelyhood of a right side majority in the House or Senate would be unlikely.
If the deep state is a right leaning device then one would think Hillary and Obama would be locked deep inside some prison somewhere, never to be heard from again.
Or, it could just be a crutch to explain why things do not always go the way someone wants. Que the illuminati, the Knights Templar, the Rothchilds, the Rockefellers, etc.. Something or someone to blame when none is obvious. Afterall, blame is so much better to give than recieve.
The deep state or 'shadow Govt' does not lean any particular way, they are above the 2 party system for the most part.
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