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Old 12-16-2018, 07:36 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by Tonyafd View Post
This is the Kavanaugh effect. Seventeen million Americans will lose their health insurance if the Supreme court sustains the ruling by this Texas judge.

If based upon feelings and emotions, Obamacare will stand
If based upon the chains placed upon the federal government by the US Constitution, Obamacare is dead.


No Tax, No Law. 16thAmendment is no longer applicable. Returns the authorization back to the States, per the 10th Amendment.


Know your Constitution. Emotions and feelings don't dictate individual freedom & liberty to others.
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Your ideology is wrong...First we are not created
I didn't say "created." Check your warped ideology.
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:40 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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People with absolutely NO skin in the game, demand I pay more for them to live.
I work, so they can live.
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:40 AM
 
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Europe’s taxes likely go towards paying for many other things besides healthcare. There’s no telling what all they have coming from that 50% rate.

I wouldn’t doubt if many middle aged Americans are paying near that rate now, but instead of it going to the government, it’s going to the insurance companies.
Exactly. Look at all the complaining here about what people are paying for premiums. I'd rather pay those premiums into a single payer system that has no deductibles, no out of pocket costs, no preexisting conditions clause, and that can't drop me or force me into bankruptcy, than having my healthcare dollars going to line the pockets of a greedy insurance company CEO. That's a no-brainer.
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:42 AM
 
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People with absolutely NO skin in the game, demand I pay more for them to live.
I work, so they can live.
I'm tired of paying for employer-based subsidies. Time for those people to put some skin in the game and pay full freight, as many here demand those of us who don't have employer-based insurance or the subsidies that go with it, do.

They have been mooching off the rest of us for decades.
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:42 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Exactly. Look at all the complaining here about what people are paying for premiums. I'd rather pay those premiums into a single payer system that has no deductibles, no out of pocket costs, no preexisting conditions clause, and that can't drop me or force me into bankruptcy, than having my healthcare dollars going to line the pockets of a greedy insurance company CEO. That's a no-brainer.
And I'm laughing at the sheer stupidity of the left...

HCSG, the 4th largest health insurer in the US and a parent group of BC/BS in several states with Illinois and Texas accounting for 83% of its business, only has a profit margin of 5.15%.

https://ycharts.com/companies/HCSG/profit_margin

Compare that to the "Top Ten" most profitable list:

Top 10 Most Profitable Industries and their Profit Margins
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:43 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Trump expanded the temporary coverage marketplace from a month up to a year. You dont have to buy this temp coverage from the ACA web site, so the free marketplace has been reopened.

We had health insurance we were happy with continuously from our 1st job in our early 20's until 2 years into Obamacare (our late 40's) when Aetna sent us a letter saying we were being cancelled because our plan didnt conform.

We shopped around for conforming plans, and they were almost 2X as much. No way! We self-insured using our sizeable HSA balance for years until Trump came along and re-opened the marketplace and costs normalized.

We are now insured again with an identical plan that we had pre-ACA, at a cost that is just slighty higher than we had before. It should be higher as we are a few years older now.

We NEVER had insurance during most of the Obama years, and NEVER paid any penalties, fines, added taxes, fees, whatever you want to call them. On our tax return, when it asked about our health insurance, we just left it blank.

The only downside we see is that we must renew our policy each year, but we do that for our cars and homeowners, so no diff. We are in great health and have a large HSA balance, so we are good with this until a permanent policy becomes available.
Obamacare hosed a lot of folks that had very good insurance. They decided it fell under a "cadillac" plan and got extra taxes so many companies were forced to drop it. It sure hit me in the pocket.
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:43 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Exactly. Look at all the complaining here about what people are paying for premiums. I'd rather pay those premiums into a single payer system that has no deductibles, no out of pocket costs, no preexisting conditions clause, and that can't drop me or force me into bankruptcy, than having my healthcare dollars going to line the pockets of a greedy insurance company CEO. That's a no-brainer.

Then do that. 90% of your income should suffice.
Too much, maybe 75%?
50%?


You know they could promise never to be above 7% and within a decade, raise it to 90%, with the right congress
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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When did your coverage go up ? How much do you pay per year. Its been several years since the ACA came online. Before the ACA my private insurance premiums would go up year to year and during open enrollment I would shop around. Would not the cost of health insurance rise naturally year to year anyway ? An other factor is if your employed perhaps your company is covering less of the cost of the insurance and paassing it on to you ? Just asking. I have heard people blame the costs of medical items on procedure because of Oboma Care when it may not have had anything to do with it.
It would. The anti-ObamaCare crowd are hypocrites plain and simple. They are at best ignorant of the legacy healthcare systems where prices raised year to year naturally and not exactly based around the preexisting conditions pool. The only reason people were happy was that they could merely get the catastrophic care plan if they couldn't afford the higher cost individual market plans as oppose to the employer plans. Also wasn't ObamaCare much better for the self-employed? Oh that right, the self-employed isn't really cared about...
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Old 12-16-2018, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Actually, no, it's overweight/obesity.
Geezus...I'm 78 and was in perfect health for most of my life. I am not overweight but began to develop age related problems about ten years ago....Old age is something none of us can escape, and don't be fooled when people call it the golden years...There is nothing golden about watching your body slowly fall apart.
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