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Old 12-16-2018, 09:44 AM
 
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Lol...

I'm all of eight years older.

And I'm in a group plan and our costs went up almost immediately after the ACA was passed.

My employer has been looking for the best plans they can get for us ever since.

And the best they can get now is double my pre ACA premiums and more than quadrupled pre ACA deductibles.....and no co-pays, all my charges go towards my now ridiculous deductible which we will never actually meet in a calendar year unless maybe next year when my wife actually has her surgery.

So.....that means we effectively have NO INSURANCE because we're paying double our previous premiums for insurance that pays ZERO until we pay our entire deductible out of pocket.... every year.
Your 8 years older. 8 years makes a big difference when your in your 30s and 40s. I was fine, fit, and doing 3-4 hrs of exercise a day until I was 40. I commuted to work an hour each way to work by bicycle and did hit the gym an hour a day at least. Then I went to the doctor and got diagnosed with t2 diabetes and hypertension.
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Many families (including me and mine) are skipping procedures they used to schedule in a timely manner, since they find they can't afford the $6,000 deductibles mandated by the government.
And good luck for those who DO manage to pay of their entire $6,000 deductible, usually after several problems during the year, and finally are able to go for the major procedure they have been putting off for most of the year until their Obamacare insurance finally kicked in.
Every other family with your insurance coverage (which is millions) who has been doing the same, is now flooding their hospitals' scheduling centers trying to schedule their appointments in the last month or two of the calendar year. With the result that you (and many of them) have to wait in a long line, only to find that they are booked solid and you can't get your procedure until next year... when the clock goes back to zero and you have to pay another full $6,000 deductible before you can actually use your "coverage".
But don't worry. The big-govt leftists who impose Obamacare on you, made it that way to "help" you. So you can pay up with a smile, knowing you are "covered".
Too bad people didn't realize the implications of getting rid of labor unions, huh? If you belong to a union there's a very good chance that you will have excellent health insurance.
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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What does "refusing to fund obesity" look like? There are obese children, if they break a leg do we refuse to set it and put a cast on it? And not all obesity is a choice, there are metabolic disorders such as Cushings disease that cause obesity.
I suggest ignoring Informed consent for your own mental health. I no longer address him. Ignore him.
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:48 AM
 
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Trump totally passed on health care. As many have pointed out, all his talk of a big beautiful health care plan was but a mirage. There was nothing, literally nothing (except a header and about 7 generalities) on his campaign website during the summer of 2016. (Contrast that with the proposals debated by Obama and Clinton during the 2008 primaries.)

What Trump was willing to do was keep his "promise" to take down the ACA. No argument there are issues, starting with the missing public option. The democratic minority offered to work with Trump to address inequities. Pelosi acknowledged that parts of it were not functioning optimally or as intended.

That Trump did not want. The man's focus was destruction when he had absolutely no ability to rebuild. Not a plan - nor even any understanding of how difficult it is to pass landmark legislation.

But in his flailing, he's now brought down more of the ACA than even the Administration intended.

In the meantime, the opportunity to fix or at least address problems within the ACA has been lost.

This almost has to be a major issue in 2020. I can see the ads now - constant reruns of Trump's "Beautiful" promise.

There is no way that Nancy and Mitch can put together a functioning bill (multiple administrations have tried with only Obama's resulting in meaningful legislation) that will "fix" healthcare. Knowing this some (including Biden) counseled Obama to make only incremental changes arguing there was bound to be a high political price.

Obama plunged ahead (but for the positive, to build); Trump just made the same error (but here all he as done is to "take away"). Or at least that's how it will be portrayed.
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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In the aftermath of this decision, what remains of the Obama legacy now? Anyone?
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:57 AM
 
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In the aftermath of this decision, what remains of the Obama legacy now? Anyone?
They took millions from peeps that had to pay a fine and everyone should demand a refund.
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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In the aftermath of this decision, what remains of the Obama legacy now?
Anyone?
Pretty much all of it, except for the mandate and preexisting conditions. The judge left it in place (presumably during the appeal process) - which the White House was eager to announce.

So now we have even more uncertainty in American healthcare, thanks to Trump.

With a big fat nothing in return, except for his tweets.

And great talking points for Democrats in 2020.
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:06 AM
 
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Sad as it is to say, "many of these people will never know what you have written, and others won't invest to even consider to think of it, and still others will have a wall around their mind preventing them from understanding. This is the general mentality of many of those who aspire to the cultist devotion to Right Wing Ideology and its mentality dominance.

They don't stop to think of the work that drove the need for ACA nor will they think of the work that went into developing ACA nor the countless man-hours that poured over years upon years of data to back with validity the provisions built into the program.

They only hear and follow the fear based drama that Republican pushed and promoted. It will never dawn on them to grasp the real reasons why premium was driven high, nor will they consider the real reasons that Republican set and all out attack upon ACA. They will not face up to the fact that the racist component is embedded in the Republican attacks, that date back beyond the era of Bull Connor and George Wallace of the 1960's that stood firm in their aims to fight against Tax Dollars being used for anything that blacks can and would and will benefit from. Yet, these same ones even during the days of Bull Connor and George Wallace never stopped to think of all the benefits white society got from the tax paid by blacks for more than 100 yrs.

We could have had the health care back in the mid 1960's when President Johnson set up Medicare, it could have been extended to All Americans... except, just after Civil Rights of 1964 was passed and Voting Rights of 1965, American society was reeling in anguish at the end of segregation, and still in an uproar over Civil Rights, that President Johnson knew if he'd pushed Medicare for All... the bigots and racist would have fought him in congress, so he pushed and moved Medicare forward with provisions for the elderly, children and disabled.
Even during that period, Union's may have supported Medicare for all, except, some union leaderships was still dealing with the matter of now including women and minorities as full union members, and moving women and minorities into class and craft, and Unions did not want to loose membership, by pushing to support even more provisions that many right wing minded whites would have fought against.

This gave the insurance and medical community more power to raise premiums and medical services to be escalated in cost.. with all the elements the quoted text has explained. The concession was, Unions would pay much of the premiums for union workers, but a higher wage was due to employees and higher union dues was required to meet the benefits it provided.

The later years of Anti-Union types, were infected by Right Wing anguish that women and minorities were now included in class and craft and would have equilibrium in income with the established white male dominance, thus enabling women and minorities to gain middle class living standards. Therefore, these biased and bigoted types and their racial and gender resentments sided with big industry to weaken unions. They bought into the lie that companies told them, that wages were too high, ( but they never thought wages were too high when it benefitted only white men), They did not claim we could not compete, because "American's Made what Americans Consumed".
The idea of Mass Exodus of industry did not go into overdrive until late 1960's, as a means to get labor on foreign soil as slave wage rates, which was the guard against women and minorities gaining economic party with white men. The people who supported that bias, did not and some still to this day do not want to see women and minorities as equals with white men.

Liberal Minded Democracy Loving People today, are smart enough to see that madness and move us beyond it, because such ignorance and savage based mentality has no place in America's Future.

So, there is much madness as to why "Universal Health Care" is still being fought against, and we can in this current day, see the race bias within the make up of the Republican Party and the rise in racism that has exposed itself in this current administration to a overt level.... we see their stand against "health care for all", which is the same mentality that stood in opposition to even the program of medicare for the aged, the children and the disabled 55+ yrs ago.

We will get to Universal Health Care for All, and it may take the form of Medicare For All.... as more people today, understand the benefits of "health care" than the people of the past and the people of the right wing who fight so much to try and conserve the bias and bigoted attacks upon the imperialism of Democracy.



People now understand better the damage caused by the Right Winger and their Republican Aspiration of Devastating the lives of America people, for the sake of wealthy expanding their dominance over the nation and its people.
The majority of right wingers have been completely brainwashed to vote against their own interests using prejudice and resentment.
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:09 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Pretty much all of it, except for the mandate and preexisting conditions. The judge left it in place (presumably during the appeal process) - which the White House was eager to announce.

So now we have even more uncertainty in American healthcare, thanks to Trump.

With a big fat nothing in return, except for his tweets.

And great talking points for Democrats in 2020.
I don't see a way for the Democrats to lose on this one. And they will sell America down the river to do it, too.
Even if a solution were to be found and promoted, Nancy will downplay it and vote against it the same way she did with the tax cut. Only this time she will win and proclaim that she has saved America from this "terrible, unfair, greedy, half-measure those evil Republicans tried to pull off".
In the end there will be no solution and people will forget that there is no solution because she killed it, and she killed it because it was not a Democrat idea.
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Old 12-16-2018, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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The majority of right wingers have been completely brainwashed to vote against their own interests using prejudice and resentment.


Who are you to tell anyone else what their own interests are?
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