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Old 04-19-2008, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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A different time and a different situation.
Ah yes...a time when he gave free passage through America to Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos...who fled their country after fleecing the people.

Probably people after his own heart...
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Old 04-19-2008, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Manitoba
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What would Gore have done? Raise taxes? Ignore the threat from terrorists?
How do you know, you didn't give him a chance. Half of American supported him. If he was that bad, he wouldn't have the nominee, nor even do well in November 2000 election.
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Old 04-19-2008, 08:53 AM
 
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I glossed over and sought to imply nothing. My posts have dealt with one issue and one issue only; this constant chant of "Osama bin Laden worked for the United States".
You need resort to rhetoric to deny the thesis, and your posts have dealt with more than the single issue you claim to have addressed, as in...

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We did not fund Osama bin Laden. We did not have any direct contact with him or with the Arab mujahideen, nor did we train them or him.
That's a fairly broad and seemingly categorical claim that is not entirely in accordance with the facts.
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Old 04-19-2008, 08:57 AM
 
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Wow are you serious?
Yes. Was this the best response you had? Right-wing rhetoric is full of argument from the outliers. It's one of the standard patterns and devices that they employ. Dishonest though it may be...
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Old 04-19-2008, 09:01 AM
 
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What would Gore have done? Raise taxes? Ignore the threat from terrorists?
There was no need to raise taxes. The budget was balanced. Meanwhile, it was the administration in which Gore was a participant that warned its successors that terrorism would be the number one problem on their watch. And it was the successors who then proceeded to ignore that counsel entirely...
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Old 04-19-2008, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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How do you know, you didn't give him a chance. Half of American supported him. If he was that bad, he wouldn't have the nominee, nor even do well in November 2000 election.
What kind of logic is that? Carter was a bad president and he won the Nov., 1976 election.
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Old 04-19-2008, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Manitoba
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What kind of logic is that? Carter was a bad president and he won the Nov., 1976 election.
Same with Bush II. I guess voters are idiots or some are.
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Old 04-20-2008, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Same with Bush II. I guess voters are idiots or some are.
No, because the voters knew that bigger "idiots" (Gore and Kerry) were the alternative.
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Old 04-20-2008, 02:35 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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There was no need to raise taxes. The budget was balanced.
Yeah, thanks to the Republican-written Balanced-Budget Amendment, of which Clinton at first would not sign.

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Meanwhile, it was the administration in which Gore was a participant that warned its successors that terrorism would be the number one problem on their watch. And it was the successors who then proceeded to ignore that counsel entirely
Yeah, a "great" job the last administration did on terrorism! Bush had to operate with a severely cut back intelligence. Due mainly to the stupid "Torricelli Principle" which Clinton started. If you haven't heard of that, allow me to explain: Sensing political gain, Clinton ordered the CIA to stop paying any informer suspected of human rights violations or who had a felony conviction on his record. Within months, U.S. ground intelligence virtually dried up. Scores of CIA station chiefs submitted their retirement papers, knowing they could not gather intelligence as effectively as they had during the Cold War. Without the criminal element informing on the criminal element, the CIA became deaf. Bad people know what other bad people are doing. The veterans who retired from the agency were often replaced by young officers with little or no field experience and no contacts of the shadowy underworld of counterintelligence. Al Qaeda managed to bom two U.S. embassies and the U.S.S. Cole with few problems because our federal government had minimal intelligence on the missions. And the administration you are praising left that problem for G.W. Bush to deal with.
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Old 04-20-2008, 03:48 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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G W Bush has such a low rating that about the only supporters he has is his suspenders.
He doesn't wear them in public though.
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