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Old 04-07-2008, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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G.W. said he was a uniter and he did bring the nation together with 81% agreeing that we’re on the wrong track.

US on wrong track, say 81 per cent of Americans - Americas, World - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-on-wrong-track-say-81-per-cent-of-americans-804911.html - broken link)

Georgie Bush has always been poor at a running business and the government.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Truman was unpopular at the end of his second term mostly due to the Korean War. Events proved him right in that intervention, despite its unpopularity at the time. It's very doubtful that Bush's invasion will be similarly justified.
On the contrary, events on the ground will prove that "W" was right as well. The strategy is succeeded and there will be victory there, then the perspective will change. I don't see the Mid-Eastern streets ablaze with hatred for America - Saudi, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, Bahrain, Quatar, etc, etc, etc.

And who gives a rat's a** what a bunch of left-wing so-called historians have to say now, even before "W" has left office? I'm sure they would like to say he is a failure, but really, they are putting their credibility in question.

And the economic numbers, up until recently, all very good - for those who have a little objectivity and don't carry around this all-consuming, intense hatred of "W".

btw, we already know what "bubba's" legacy is, don't we.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You guys crack me up. 50 years from now he'll be the leader defending the country, sandwiched between the one who was impeached and before the worst liberal since Jimmy Carter. Historians will see facts; not the blind screaming present today.

Since you enjoy cracking up, consider this: 40 years after his term ended, LBJ is mostly remembered for one thing - screwing up Vietnam badly and mismanaging a war almost beyond belief. Time hasn't mellowed that perception that was very much at the forefront back in the 60s.

In LBJ's case, our involvement in Vietnam was at least thinly justifiable. S. Vietnam was a member of a mutual defense treaty (SEATO) and asked for US intervention in their civil war.

In contrast, Bush's trumped-up invasion of Iraq provided the conditions for Iraq's civil war to flourish.

Somehow, you seem to think Dubya's little misadventure will be more fondly remembered. Any particular reason you'd care to name?
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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In most cases, Id agree but in this case, absolutely not.

The apparent corruption and lack of transparency and damage caused by this white house is so damning that we can sum up his presidency now.

Sorry but he's no Ronald Reagan-not even close(and I hated Reagan)
Corruption? To what are you referring? Lack of transparency? You bet. And for good cause. The liberals in Congress and the media have shown no compunction about airing the nation's military and intelligence secrets during a time of war. In an earlier time, i.e., the Second World War, they would have been prosecuted for treason and giving aid and comfort to the enemy. My only regret is that Bush was not able to clean house at the CIA which leaks like a sieve.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:49 PM
 
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"Worst President Ever..."

Yeah, that's about right.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:51 PM
 
Location: PA
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Default Worst Government ever!!!

Lets look at the facts on the issue. If you want to label the President for all the problems then lets remember he can't do everything without the congress approval and yes even democrats. I think this might be ONE of the worst governments in history. Because of the basic facts freedom, individual liberty and the constitution has been futher eroded by the government who is suppose to protect it.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:53 PM
 
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Lets look at the facts on the issue. If you want to label the President for all the problems then lets remember he can't do everything without the congress approval and yes even democrats. I think this might be ONE of the worst governments in history. Because of the basic facts freedom, individual liberty and the constitution has been futher eroded by the government who is suppose to protect it.
Congress, the President, his advisers - none of them can seem to tell the truth, Republican or Democrat. Blue vs Red doesn't matter anymore - they're more alike now than ever.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:57 PM
 
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sorry but if the shoe fits.....Dubya has too be one of the worst Presidents and what has put him in that category can be surmised in one word: IRAQ and now he is leaving office in a few months letting another President have to deal with this horrific quagmire.

What is surreal about this is that the nation gathered around Dubya after 9/11 because there were no Dems or Repubs but just Americans at that point in our history and he took advantage of that to launch us into a decietful war that killed thousands.
The man is a disgrace to everything that is American.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:22 PM
 
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sorry but if the shoe fits.....Dubya has too be one of the worst Presidents and what has put him in that category can be surmised in one word: IRAQ and now he is leaving office in a few months letting another President have to deal with this horrific quagmire.

What is surreal about this is that the nation gathered around Dubya after 9/11 because there were no Dems or Repubs but just Americans at that point in our history and he took advantage of that to launch us into a decietful war that killed thousands.
The man is a disgrace to everything that is American.
Rob-

EXCELLENT post. I couldn't have said it better. It's unfortunate what this single man (well, administration) has put our good people through.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:22 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Since you enjoy cracking up, consider this: 40 years after his term ended, LBJ is mostly remembered for one thing - screwing up Vietnam badly and mismanaging a war almost beyond belief. Time hasn't mellowed that perception that was very much at the forefront back in the 60s.

In LBJ's case, our involvement in Vietnam was at least thinly justifiable. S. Vietnam was a member of a mutual defense treaty (SEATO) and asked for US intervention in their civil war.

In contrast, Bush's trumped-up invasion of Iraq provided the conditions for Iraq's civil war to flourish.

Somehow, you seem to think Dubya's little misadventure will be more fondly remembered. Any particular reason you'd care to name?
Interesting comparison but it falls short in a couple aspects. 1. Even more than Vietnam, LBJ legacy was his wildly liberal "Great Society." Medicare, Medicaid, War on Poverty, etc. All things that sound good but that the voters have no desire to actually fund. Hence, the beginning of our never ending problem of national debt.

2. Vietnam but only to the extent that the US homeland had not just been attacked resulting in more deaths than Pearl Harbor, and the subsequent micro managed the US defeat.

Note that for Bush to reach exceptional status I did state that Iraq must be successfully resolved. Surrendering to al-Qaeda by any of the next potus would put a damper on his legacy.
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