Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Nope. Mass murder was NOT codified by any communist ideology. It was part and parcel of Nazism. Why it happened in communist countries anyway goes to my silly humans comment. It proved to be impractical and the only way those holding power under its auspices could retain it was to murder in those cases where it happened.
Mass murder is inherent in collectivism because it requires universal compliance. Just because you believe in collectivism doesn't mean it's more moral than national socialism. It could just be that you believe in a messed up ideology.
Everyone who dies in a communist state is added to the black book while those butchered by Suharto, Pinochet, Rios Montt, south Vietnamese and Korean military juntas, Argentina military leadership, Nazis (corporate power backed by ford, GM, etc.), Chiang Kai Shek, and many more are disregarded.
Oh yeah and they weren’t communists, communism is freedom like seen in Chiapas Mexico and the industrial democracy movement.
One big difference between nazis and communists...if someone were to make posts extolling the virtues of Nazism they would likely be banned from this forum forever, while one can routinely make posts extolling the virtues of communism with impunity even though both ideologies were responsible for the wholesale murder of millions upon millions of people. I guess being murdered by commies isn't quite as violent, tragic or unacceptable as being murdered by nazis.
One big difference between nazis and communists...if someone were to make posts extolling the virtues of Nazism they would likely be banned from this forum forever, while one can routinely make posts extolling the virtues of communism with impunity even though both ideologies were responsible for the wholesale murder of millions upon millions of people. I guess being murdered by commies isn't quite as violent, tragic or unacceptable as being murdered by nazis.
Could be because there has been just one little itty bitty set of Nazis.
One big difference between nazis and communists...if someone were to make posts extolling the virtues of Nazism they would likely be banned from this forum forever, while one can routinely make posts extolling the virtues of communism with impunity even though both ideologies were responsible for the wholesale murder of millions upon millions of people. I guess being murdered by commies isn't quite as violent, tragic or unacceptable as being murdered by nazis.
This is so dumb, read my post.
Communism doesn't kill people, it is an alternative to communism. Dictators kills people just like in right wing corporate societies like Nazi Germany (GM, Ford, and the rest loved Hitler).
The silent genocide in Guatemala backed by CIA 'capitalists' means nothing to you. Those slaughters are a joke to you because you don't care.
Real communism is in community ownership, look at the zapatistas and stop lying for the love of god!
The US has slaughtered far more people than your imaginary communist threat. Communism is industrial democracy, not the corporate authoritarian system you espouse.
Mass murder is inherent in collectivism because it requires universal compliance. Just because you believe in collectivism doesn't mean it's more moral than national socialism. It could just be that you believe in a messed up ideology.
I don't believe in it AT ALL. It's just not evil as an ideology like nazism. It's a bad ideology because it assumes the cooperation of people who are not going to cooperate. Then other people, not the codified policy of the ideology, kill those people who don't cooperate. People are the problem with communism. Nazism was the problem with nazism, because the people involved ran it very, very efficiently and with great (for their evil purposes) results.
We are picking from among some pretty rotten nits but still.
Democratic socialism is pretty good for a lot of things. Not killing their own people among them. I'm a proponent of including more of it.
I don't believe in it AT ALL. It's just not evil as an ideology like nazism. It's a bad ideology because it assumes the cooperation of people who are not going to cooperate. Then other people, not the codified policy of the ideology, kill those people who don't cooperate. People are the problem with communism. Nazism was the problem with nazism, because the people involved ran it very, very efficiently and with great (for their evil purposes) results.
We are picking from among some pretty rotten nits but still.
Democratic socialism is pretty good for a lot of things. Not killing their own people among them. I'm a proponent of including more of it.
Not true, communism is a statless society, the forms you talk about are just authoritarian states.
Was communism bad when it promoted industrial democracy, was it bad when it saved indigenous people from being slaughtered in Mexico unlike the US corporate terror state of Guatemala.
Learn what worker control of the means of production is before you call it false:
Mass murder is inherent in collectivism because it requires universal compliance. Just because you believe in collectivism doesn't mean it's more moral than national socialism. It could just be that you believe in a messed up ideology.
Corporatism is a collectivisation of labor under a few concentrations of wealth.
Communism is community freedom like before the age of industrial capitalism. Look at the shanghai/Paris communes, the Zapatistas, or even Civil war era catalonia instead of these state capitalist systems.
Not true, communism is a statless society, the forms you talk about are just authoritarian states.
Was communism bad when it promoted industrial democracy, was it bad when it saved indigenous people from being slaughtered in Mexico unlike the US corporate terror state of Guatemala.
Learn what worker control of the means of production is before you call it false:
And in a few limited instances it works for small, like minded groups of people. It will never work in large country. And even in those places where it is working ok today, it's very fragile. All it takes is for a few people to either feel taken advantage of, or feel especially entitled (which people are gonna do) to topple it.
I don't believe in it AT ALL. It's just not evil as an ideology like nazism. It's a bad ideology because it assumes the cooperation of people who are not going to cooperate. Then other people, not the codified policy of the ideology, kill those people who don't cooperate. People are the problem with communism. Nazism was the problem with nazism, because the people involved ran it very, very efficiently and with great (for their evil purposes) results.
We are picking from among some pretty rotten nits but still.
Democratic socialism is pretty good for a lot of things. Not killing their own people among them. I'm a proponent of including more of it.
You don't believe in it at all yet you find the need to defend it when it is not positively compared to nazism. Forcing the cooperation of people who are not inclined to cooperate is evil. It is codified by communism because it is an inherent requirement of communism. You say so yourself.
Communism was the problem with communism. Your collectivist sympathies do not make communism any less immoral, and the tens of millions killed by communists are not any less affronted by their murders than they would be had they been killed by nazis instead of commies.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
