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When electric cars become more affordable and battery issues are mostly solved, thats when we will go electric. The market will do it on its own.
In 2018, you have a valid point. Back in 2001 the electric car of its day was sued out of existence. The car companies sued California for raising their emission standards. Then Bush Jr. threw the power of the federal government into the lawsuit, siding with the auto industry.
This really becomes a complicated discussion because if you were going to compare you would need to account for everything. For example the electric motor may be far more efficient than a gasoline engine but the power station that converted gas/coal into electric may only have an efficiency of 60% at best. There is inefficiencies introduced with transmission. Of course gas has it's own inefficiencies, e.g it's piped which requires pumping where gravity cannot handle it and then trucked to the gas station.
There is very long list of things you would need to consider to make any true comparison.
What utter nonsense. This isnt a "complicated" discussion AT ALL. The power station that converted fuel into power is insanely efficient in comparison to what a gas engine is going to do on a production car. The average gas engine in a car runs at about 20% efficiency. 20%. A power plant averages 60% as you say. As the other poster pointed out, they're not even remotely in the same class.
What utter nonsense. This isnt a "complicated" discussion AT ALL. The power station that converted fuel into power is insanely efficient in comparison to what a gas engine is going to do on a production car. The average gas engine in a car runs at about 20% efficiency. 20%. A power plant averages 60% as you say. As the other poster pointed out, they're not even remotely in the same class.
What utter nonsense. This isnt a "complicated" discussion AT ALL. The power station that converted fuel into power is insanely efficient in comparison to what a gas engine is going to do on a production car. The average gas engine in a car runs at about 20% efficiency. 20%. A power plant averages 60% as you say. As the other poster pointed out, they're not even remotely in the same class.
Here you go. List of power plant efficiency by type:
LOL. I used the other posters number of 60%-which to be fair some of the new plants DO get. diesel power plants get about 40%, so even using those....the internal combustion engine on average gets 20%. Its a 2X factor better to get your power that way rather then generating it at the vehicle.
Then we should look at the drive train. Electric vehicles have a FAR more efficient drive train. 1 gear ratio. Thats it. Vs's a internal combustion engine which requires multiple gears. 5.6% loses for a normal driveline.
Idling? Another 17.2% loss
Braking loses? Another 5.2% or so-because electric cars take advantage of regenerative braking.
This is not complicated because of the immense differences in efficiency. And thats before we start talking about just how reliable electric vehicles are long term. in 1980 this was a arguable topic, but its 2018 and the tech today makes electric vehicles the better choice by far.
What is the average loss in energy that electricity transmission causes per mile? How is that factored into your "efficiency" greywar?
Ultimately, I would love to get off the grid with solar panels on my house, but the up front cost does not make sense for me yet. The best solution obviously would be to have solar panels running your house, and charging your cars. I can see that someday, but of course the utilities will fight that, or make it not possible.
What is the average loss in energy that electricity transmission causes per mile? How is that factored into your "efficiency" greywar?
Ultimately, I would love to get off the grid with solar panels on my house, but the up front cost does not make sense for me yet. The best solution obviously would be to have solar panels running your house, and charging your cars. I can see that someday, but of course the utilities will fight that, or make it not possible.
I remember reading of some woman, Florida maybe, who was violating codes for not being hooked the city's utilities.
What is the average loss in energy that electricity transmission causes per mile? How is that factored into your "efficiency" greywar?
Ultimately, I would love to get off the grid with solar panels on my house, but the up front cost does not make sense for me yet. The best solution obviously would be to have solar panels running your house, and charging your cars. I can see that someday, but of course the utilities will fight that, or make it not possible.
5% loss in transmission. Any other questions? I suppose I could ask how much gas is used moving gasoline around too.
For REAL fun...how much electricity does it take to refine 1 gallon of gas? Again another example of why this argument against electric vehicles is not complex at all.
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