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Old 12-20-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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5% loss in transmission. Any other questions? I suppose I could ask how much gas is used moving gasoline around too.


For REAL fun...how much electricity does it take to refine 1 gallon of gas? Again another example of why this argument against electric vehicles is not complex at all.
This is a really good article to read before you continue your misunderstanding.

https://www.quora.com/How-energy-eff...ustion-engines

If electric cars were so great, it would have taken hold a long time ago.

The following analysis actually missed a key factor: overcapacity. Currently there’s no good way to store electricity. An enormous amount of electricity is wasted because it has no way to go.

“Electric motors are very efficient at converting electricity into work! Physicists throw around abstract numbers like 90%, whereas when discussing combustion engines, they use numbers less than 40%. But you cannot compare the efficiency of converting electricity into motion to the efficiency of converting gasoline into motion.

Neither electricity nor batteries are a fuel source. You can’t mine for batteries; they’re just a temporary storage bin that you fill up from some other source of energy. If you want to make comparison to gasoline, you need to expand the cycle to include the generation source. Contemplating a typical fossil-fuel-burning plant as the source: 10% is lost in combustion (not transferred to steam), 60% is lost at the turbine, 10% is lost in transmission, 20% is lost charging, 10% is lost discharging, and 10% is lost in the motor… so it ends up about 21% efficient - that is to say, ~79% of the energy in the source oil goes to waste (heat).”
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Old 12-20-2018, 08:13 PM
 
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Gas under $2? Where do you live?
Quite a few states, it looks like.

https://www-foxbusiness-com.cdn.ampp...rom%20%251%24s
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Old 12-21-2018, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Every time a Tesla catches fire, it makes the news.


https://www.clickondetroit.com/autom...tching-on-fire
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Old 12-21-2018, 06:53 AM
 
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No. History is delaying its viability, that's all.
Rich people are not in charge of the world, and do not pre-write history.

Rich people are not in charge of the world? I wish that I was an optimist like you. Two key elections in 2000 and 2016 stolen by the republicans and you think that the rich don't run things?
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Old 12-21-2018, 06:55 AM
 
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Emission standards are being relaxed. Trump won't alienate the Saudis. Gasoline is under two bucks a gallon. SUVs are replacing the sedan.


Are the richest of the rich trying to kill the electric car?
Cheap has killed the electric car.
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Old 12-21-2018, 06:56 AM
 
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Rich people are not in charge of the world? I wish that I was an optimist like you. Two key elections in 2000 and 2016 stolen by the republicans and you think that the rich don't run things?
So you lose and cry stolen elections. That excuse is old. Find another one.
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Obama killed the hydrogen car program in the USA to protect Tesla and various other now failed electric (mostly buses) ventures. Some projects still exist, but they are a token of where we were once headed.

Electric cars have two serious issues which prevent them for the most part from replacing gasoline vehicles.
  • They cost too much for the range you get.
  • They take too long to charge and options for "fast" charging, are way way too limited.
When those issues are solved, then they might become more than a niche vehicle.

(We should have stayed with hydrogen)

Hydrogen is another substance that needs to be manufactured. Why do we need to hand the robber barons of our time yet another tool to deplete our hard earned money.


People see the promise of electric cars as something that may one day be recharged from their own roofs.
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:15 AM
 
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Hydrogen is another substance that needs to be manufactured. Why do we need to hand the robber barons of our time yet another tool to deplete our hard earned money.


People see the promise of electric cars as something that may one day be recharged from their own roofs.
"robber baron" -someone who provides jobs and cheap goods to the masses and is slurred for doing so by the envious socialists
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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My next car will be electric. I need some solar panels on my house as well.

It appears that people have learned something during the oil embargoes of the seventies and the spike in gas prices during the Bush/Cheney presidency.
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Old 12-21-2018, 07:27 AM
 
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Rich people are not in charge of the world? I wish that I was an optimist like you. Two key elections in 2000 and 2016 stolen by the republicans and you think that the rich don't run things?
If rich people are in charge of the world, why are they being taxed so high?
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