The Trump shutdown is coming *MERGED* (party affiliation, Congress, generation, holidays)

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by Southern man

Well its generally thought the USA is mostly overweight and it seems to be low income people. This will help them to get slim and trim like all those folks from Calif.

That is actually, true. Here's the damage Food Stamps and other means-tested government-provided free food/meal programs are doing...

Even the USDA has noticed there's a correlation between receiving Food Stamps and obesity. And the USDA OIG has recommended halting the overlapping of government free food services for the exact same daily meals.

The obesity rates of the poor on food stamps compared to the poor who aren't on food stamps, and compared to the rest of the population:

Income-eligible children on food stamps: 24%
Income-eligible children NOT on food stamps: 20%
Non-poor children who of course don't even qualify for food stamps: 13%

Kids who get Food Stamps (and free school meals, and who knows how many additional Nutrition Service benefits) have an 85% higher obesity rate than kids who don't qualify for those benefits.

Income-eligible adults on food stamps: 44% obese
Income-eligible adults NOT on food stamps: 33% obese
Non-poor adults who of course don't even qualify for food stamps: 32% obese

Adults who get Food Stamps (and who knows how many additional Nutrition Service benefits) have a 33.3% higher obesity rate than adults who qualify for those benefits but choose to not receive them.

Do the math, and recognize that this is a SIGNIFICANT problem.

Exhibit 5, here:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/defaul...-SNAP07-10.pdf

Also, it certainly does appear that the children of poor and low-income families who receive free school breakfast, lunch, etc., program meals, regardless of whether they get food stamps, are being overfed.

And to confirm, the USDA OIG (Office of the Inspector General) has found that a full 59% of families on Food Stamps also double-dip and triple-dip, or more, free food benefits from major Federal means-tested free food programs for the exact same daily meals:

Overlap and Duplication in Food and Nutrition Service's Nutrition Programs - USDA OIG
http://www.usda.gov/oig/webdocs/27001-0001-10.pdf

Let that sink in... A full 59% of families on Food Stamps also double-dip and triple-dip, or more, free food benefits from major Federal means-tested free food programs for the exact same daily meals.

Are we really doing the poor any favors by causing their obesity by letting them double-dip and sometimes even triple-dip or more government free food program benefits, thereby enabling their overeating and ruining their health? They are disproportionately obese, and cost us a lot more tax money to pay for their obesity-related health problems, such as heart disease and diabetes.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by Beach Sportsfan

LOL. So you think it’s only Democrats that take Food Stamps. Hilarious.

It mostly is, by a ratio of more than 2 to 1. I've already provided links to the data.

[rstevens62]

Originally Posted by personone

Congress is not personally affected during Shutdowns. They still receive pay, and the fact that this one happened right in the middle of the biggest holiday season, means that many on both sides were going to be away. So they have no motivation to do anything until the holidays are over. If Congress also didn't receive pay during Shutdowns, you can best believe nobody would have left until a deal was reached. In fact, Congress would not let shutdowns happen if they didn't receive pay during them.

Its almost guaranteed, they are still having meetings, online, secure tele-conf, etc. They are hashing out deals even when on vacation.

[Listener2307]

Originally Posted by Beach Sportsfan

LOL. So you think it’s only Democrats that take Food Stamps. Hilarious.

Most welfare recipients don't vote at all, so their political affiliation is not a concern.
As people move up through the classes, from Class 1 to Class 6, they tend to vote more. It is just as unusual to find a member of class 1 (extremely poor) who voted as it is to find a member of class 6 (born wealthy) who did not.
If EBT goes dry we may hear from them again. Or we may find out that they really didn't need it and can just wait it out.

[JAMS14]

Originally Posted by skeddy

Dems left DC a week ago, they can't compromise

So did the Republicans. Both the GOP leaders of the House and Senate--you know, the only ones who have the power right now to do anything--are gone from DC, and Speaker Ryan hasn't been heard from at all in over a week.

Why do you insist on holding Democrats to standards you refuse to hold Republicans to?

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by Listener2307

Most welfare recipients don't vote at all, so their political affiliation is not a concern.

Moot point. Most Americans don't vote. The fact that the Democrats vastly outnumber Republicans on means-tested public assistance programs is relevant. Something is very off when so many more Democrats than Republicans cannot support themselves and their families.

[atltechdude]

Originally Posted by bus man

No, scrap the 17th Amendment and go back to having the States choose their own Senators, like the Founders intended. And while you're at it, learn the difference between a democracy and a federal republic.

You should learn that a federal republic is one form of democracy.

[Enigma777]

The Dems have been negotiating with Trump ad nauseum.

Problem is, whenever they all agree on a deal, Trump welshes. He's even done this to his own party in Congress. The Little Boy who cried wolf.

Why should everyone give up their holidays and family time because the non-negotiator-in-chief is miserable and would like everyone else to be, as well? This is a dumb game of his. Sitting in the WH like a king, demanding everyone come to him? Melania didn't even stick around--she hit the beach immediately after fulfilling holiday duties.

When Congress reconvenes, the House will pass a funding bill without the wall.

Then it is in the lap of the Senate Republicans to deal with--Trump owns this. The big negotiator cannot negotiate if he can't manipulate the situation to his own advantage. He truly appears to be a weak president and a terrible negotiator.

Trump had better change his ways. Fun and games are over.

[middle-aged mom]

Originally Posted by WaldoKitty

No money for Foodstamps. EBT cards stop working. Not a fun day for the Democrat representative.



Riots Loom As Food Stamp Cash Will Run Out By End Of January If Government Shutdown Continues


Didn't Nancy say "Let them Eat Cake"?

According to this, SNAP has sufficient funding through mid February according to Sonny Purdue, Secretary Agriculture.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...wn-food-stamps

States use their own funds and unused appropriations to fund TANF

https://www.clasp.org/blog/what-shutdown-means-tanf

Social Security, SSDI, SDI and Medicare continue to function.

[auntieannie68]

the king demands an audience should the Dems his lowly subjects comply ? ????baaahaaahaa.Am looking forward to the day they bring King David a gift of an escort out the door