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Old 12-20-2018, 08:39 PM
 
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That's a sh*tty thing to bargain with.
Not if it gets the wall.
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Old 12-20-2018, 08:45 PM
 
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If he tells them that before the Senate vote?
No....trump will look like a moron no matter what.
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Old 12-20-2018, 08:46 PM
 
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Not if it gets the wall.
Whiny beech wants his manhood wall in anyway possible.....
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Old 12-20-2018, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Maybe that's why he announced he's pulling out of Syria - a bargaining chip for the wall.
The timing surely points to that.
He's pulling out of Syria because his boss told him to.
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Old 12-20-2018, 09:57 PM
 
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He's pulling out of Syria because his boss told him to.
Another Putin joke?
Trump armed the Ukraine with 210 anti-tank missiles.
Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats.
Trump lashed Germany over Russia gas pipeline deal.
Trump is tougher on Putin than Obama was, that is for certain.
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Old 12-21-2018, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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This is why it's important to have a president that actually reads and understands his PDB:

The purpose of the Dec. 14 call, arranged by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, was to persuade Erdogan to back off on this threat to attack Syria’s Kurdish fighters, according to a detailed AP report Friday.

But the Turkish president turned the tables on the commander-in-chief, reminding him that he had repeatedly said the only reason US troops were in Syria was to defeat ISIS, and that the terrorists had lost 99 percent of their territory.

“Why are you still there?” Erdogan asked Trump, telling him that the Turks could deal with the remaining ISIS militants, one administration official said.


With Erdogan on the line, Trump turned to Bolton and demanded to know why US troops remained in Syria if what the Turkish president said was true.

Erdogan’s point, Bolton was forced to admit, had been backed up by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Pompeo, US special envoy for Syria Jim Jeffrey and special envoy for the anti-ISIS coalition Brett McGurk, who all had said that ISIS retained just 1 percent of its territory.

Bolton stressed, however, that the entire national security team agreed that victory over ISIS had to be enduring, which meant more than taking away its territory.

But Trump was not impressed, according to the officials, who said the president quickly capitulated to the Turkish strongman by pledging to withdraw, shocking Bolton — and Erdogan.

Caught off guard, Erdogan then cautioned Trump against a hasty withdrawal, noting that while Turkey had made incursions into Syria in the past, it did not have the necessary forces on the border to move in and hold the large swaths of northeastern Syria where US troops are positioned.

The call ended with Trump repeating to Erdogan that the US would pull out, but offering no specifics on how it would be done, leaving top national security officials in shock.

https://nypost.com/2018/12/21/trump-...l-with-turkey/

A real leader and "deal maker" who knows what they are doing knows all the facts going into a meeting, also knowing beforehand what results they want to get out of one.

They don't learn facts their staff tried to tell them before the meeting during the meeting from the other party during the negotiations.
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Old 12-22-2018, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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Another Putin joke?
Trump armed the Ukraine with 210 anti-tank missiles.
Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats.
Trump lashed Germany over Russia gas pipeline deal.
Trump is tougher on Putin than Obama was, that is for certain.
It takes only one man to bend over to pleasure Putin.
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Old 12-22-2018, 09:45 AM
 
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That's a possibility. Trump keeps the troops in Syria, the world bank pays for the wall.
Trump is playing international chess, I guess they expected him to play Tic Tac Toe like Obama did.
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Old 12-22-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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A real leader and "deal maker" who knows what they are doing knows all the facts going into a meeting, also knowing beforehand what results they want to get out of one.

They don't learn facts their staff tried to tell them before the meeting during the meeting from the other party during the negotiations.
Trump is out of his depth. In a complex situation he can't follow he just tosses the chess board and storms out.
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Old 12-22-2018, 10:03 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Maybe that's why he announced he's pulling out of Syria - a bargaining chip for the wall.
The timing surely points to that.

IF he'd bargain with the lives of service men & women to get his own way, he deserves impeachment, removal from office, as well as a good public flogging.
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