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This is one of the risks you take when accepting one of these "essential" government jobs. (Boy is THAT an oxymoron)
They already get much better pay and Cadillac benefits compared to most of their private sector counterparts, all paid for on the taxpayers dime.
This just amounts to a paid holiday vacation that they'll have to wait a little while to get paid for.
You evidently have never worked a government job... "not all of them are highly paid as you make claim". It took an act by President Obama to promote Government Contractors have a upgraded basic minimum wages, which not only considered the value and the intricate nature of their work as being essential, but it factored in the cost of living and the basis of living standard wage based on the economics within the nation, as to what it takes to meet the basics of American Standard of Living.
People higher up the ladder with "Position of Title" are paid well above a certain level in the chain. But that principle is true in the private sector as well. Maybe "except" the retail based service industry" where they slap a title of manager on people and still pay them less than $12 hr in many many of the general consumer purchasing establishments.
There is a distinction between "Classified" and "Unclassified", in many Government Jobs.. As well as there are policy caps on promotion in Un-Classified Jobs, in some even with a promotion it can only pay up to around 8% or the closest level that equates to 8% in the new job, and if the rate of the new job starts at 8% more, then they are placed on the lowest tier, and the only option to be elevated on their tier is to be denoted as having "exceptional ability/skill".
People love to make assumptions that Government Jobs are overpaid... which is not the general case. The scope of responsibly and what that responsibly contribute to making our society and its system functions, these jobs are not a cake walk. Too much public concept is based on a sick and sordid history of thinking work is only about "asses and elbows in the air with a 90 degree bent back" .
That concept was based on the history of slavery system mentality, of "people working in fields, "digging ditches" and such manual labor related things. The concept and reality of work... is far more. Yet, we have a society than can't get past the madness of thinking in terms of slave and indentured labor concepts of work.
Today, work involves a great deal of "thinking" as well as levels of learning, not only the basics of the work, but how that work relates to the systems it is performed.
Last edited by Chance and Change; 12-22-2018 at 08:51 AM..
They should all be paid. They don't ask for the time off, they are forced to be off. Not their choice.
So what does Shutdown mean if everybody get's paid? The Government should furlough everyone, essential or not. They should not be forced to work with no pay. Go home, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
So what does Shutdown mean if everybody get's paid? The Government should furlough everyone, essential or not. They should not be forced to work with no pay. Go home, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Well, I tend to agree with you. A "shutdown" doesn't really mean much if the government is still running. The government is never truly shutdown, which is why people don't really notice anything whenever a "shutdown" occurs. They've put measures in to ensure that those government employee haters get their social security checks on time, for sure.
A shutdown is a financial term. It means there's been a lapse of appropriated funds from Congress and the President. Government runs anyway but there's no funding for it.
I have two friends who work for the US Government and are being affected by the Government Shut Down.
Bruce works as a reference librarian for a government librarian for one of the government agencies that is being shut down. He works hard and is committed to his career and has a Masters in Library Science. He is considered non-essential and will not go into work until the government reopens. Congress will see that he is paid eventually. He has lots of savings and is not too worried. He has gone down to Florida and will be staying with his parents in Sarasota and spend his time playing golf during the shutdown.
Larry works in food safety for the FDA and is considered essential. He has to go into work during the shutdown. And stay in cold miserable Washington DC. Because they will be short staffed due to the shutdown he will have to put in long hours and work under greater stress during this period. He will be paid eventually but has to work without his regular paycheck schedule for an uncertain period of time.
Should Larry be paid extra because he is essential and has to work through the shut down vs Bruce-the nonessential federal employee- who is getting a paid vacation down in Florida playing golf?
Welcome to the real world Gov slugs of DC......NO pay for you
No-the non-essential employees should not be getting back pay. Guess what? In private business, there are layoffs when work loads are low, weather shuts down operations, etc. Those people don't get pay for sitting on their asses when they go back to work-they get unemployment. Government workers should be the same. They are not "special" just because they work for the state.
No-the non-essential employees should not be getting back pay. Guess what? In private business, there are layoffs when work loads are low, weather shuts down operations, etc. Those people don't get pay for sitting on their asses when they go back to work-they get unemployment. Government workers should be the same. They are not "special" just because they work for the state.
Actually, that's not entirely true. I know of some decent companies who do pay their employees when they can't make it work for weather related events or closures beyond their control. I will agree with you that it's not the majority nor the norm; however, it is up to the employer to decide if they want to pay their employees or not. Just as government workers are employed, their employer (Congress and the President) get to decide if they get paid back pay for a shutdown. So far, their employer has decided that they want to pay them. I get that it comes from your tax dollars so you don't want your tax dollars going to that. But guess what, you *never* get a say how your tax dollars are spent. Frankly, I don't want my tax dollars paying for a brick wall on the border. A wall that will surely end up lining the pockets of every contractor building it, not to mention the Trump organization in some way. But guess what? I don't get a say in it.
No-the non-essential employees should not be getting back pay. Guess what? In private business, there are layoffs when work loads are low, weather shuts down operations, etc. Those people don't get pay for sitting on their asses when they go back to work-they get unemployment. Government workers should be the same. They are not "special" just because they work for the state.
The difference being, workloads aren't low and the weather hasn't shut anything down. Those at the top haven't done their job and those low on the totem pole are the ones taking the hit, all while the screwups who caused the shutdown still get paid.
I have no fear my $9000 a month fed pension will be direct deposited in my bank account on January 1st. The hardships created by the "shutdown" are purely for the drama queens.
No-the non-essential employees should not be getting back pay. Guess what? In private business, there are layoffs when work loads are low, weather shuts down operations, etc. Those people don't get pay for sitting on their asses when they go back to work-they get unemployment. Government workers should be the same. They are not "special" just because they work for the state.
Ummm...as an officer of a bank I sure as heck was paid- it’s called ‘salaried’.
No. Essential just means the ones that can't be given time off and are not entitled extra pay as they are manning their routine posts. If they gave everyone the day off during a shutdown, that means all police, fire and jail guards would be off. So who would protect the streets, put out the fires and watch the incarcerated inmates?
I feel like if the govt truly must shut down, it needs to be EVERYONE, keeping 'essential' employees/agencies on, kind of makes it less significant.
Fire depts are local, not federal, same thing with police. There are federal law enforcement, like the FBI, and they should be shut down and out of work like everyone else, they are not essential, their duties and investigations can be put on hold for awhile.
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