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Nobody wants anarchy. Some libertarians may tell you they want smart but when anarchy comes, it would be the survival of the most vicious - they aren’t the most vicious. That title has been taken by the communists and socialists long ago.
Most libertarians believe limited government where the government is the sole monopoly of violence and is responsible for law enforcement and defense.
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Nobody wants anarchy. Some libertarians may tell you they want smart but when anarchy comes, it would be the survival of the most vicious - they aren’t the most vicious. That title has been taken by the communists and socialists long ago.
Most libertarians believe limited government where the government is the sole monopoly of violence and is responsible for law enforcement and defense.
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Thanks. You nailed it.
I appreciate the sentiments before you're surely hauled off to a re-education camp for thinking on your own.
I'd add one thing: Don't focus on why I or any of us anarchists had the "courage" to turn around in that cave.
I put courage in quotes because I don't think I'm courageous. Maybe it was dumb luck. Maybe I'm so stupid I turned around in the cave out of not knowing better. It's different for everyone.
Me personally?
I know I did it at least in part because of two personality traits:
• No patience. Overall this trait has not served me well in life except when it came to leaving statism. If it ain't working as advertised in the first few seconds...I'm b-itching & moaning up a storm.
• Anti-authority. I have a permanent punk rock fire in my belly even though the last time I moshed at a concert was over 25 years ago.
Finally, as you've do eloquently put it, I can't unsee what I've seen.
You're welcome. Re-education was tried and I failed with flying colors. Ten years ago I signed up to be a VISTA (volunteer in service to america) which encompasses a great idea, but the people in charge have other ideas of their own that spoils the whole concept. I withdrew my commitment after only 3 months. It was not a good fit for me; that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
When I was 18, my brother age 26, he and I had an interesting conversation. He had been taking college classes, philosophy being one. (without going through all of what we discussed) He pointed to the front door of the house and he asked me, what is that? I said, it's a door. He asked, why is it a door? I said, because it just is, that's why? He asked, what if I told you that door can be whatever you want it to be? (way to deep for an 18 year old) At the end of our debate, he told me, sis --- you're way smarter than you think you are. With that said ... that is what I saw in those two post, which made me think of Plato's cave.
Many years later I re enter college and one of my courses was humanities and philosophy ... (small town college) When the class began the teacher asked the class, while pointing to a desk, what is that? I raised my hand and said --- "it is whatever you want it to be." The others in the classroom could not wrap their heads around that answer and I won't forget the look on that teacher's face.
I have patience for some things, other things, not so much. I recognize authority without fear, because I know they are no different than I am. They have a job to do and so do I. There is no right way or wrong way, only a way.
Courage ... it does take courage (do not sell yourself short) to go against that which has been labeled by others normal for you from birth. Change does happen over time and change can be seen in others through the sharing of ideas.
The door being that it is whatever I want it to be --- it doesn't exist for me. People exist, but their labels do not. And that encompasses my world view. And just when I think God broke the mold after me, turns out, I hear things that make me go hum, can they read my mind? With that said, I take Plato's cave one step farther and remove the cave.
For one you can read all the posts about statists on this thread, or just ask them directly.
For the second, before Sumer and the imperial states, property could not be defined by borders or placement that was beyond the operate or usage of an individual.
Imagine a Neanderthal laying claim to a cave on the other side of the world that he has never visited.
You're welcome. Re-education was tried and I failed with flying colors. Ten years ago I signed up to be a VISTA (volunteer in service to america) which encompasses a great idea, but the people in charge have other ideas of their own that spoils the whole concept. I withdrew my commitment after only 3 months. It was not a good fit for me; that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
When I was 18, my brother age 26, he and I had an interesting conversation. He had been taking college classes, philosophy being one. (without going through all of what we discussed) He pointed to the front door of the house and he asked me, what is that? I said, it's a door. He asked, why is it a door? I said, because it just is, that's why? He asked, what if I told you that door can be whatever you want it to be? (way to deep for an 18 year old) At the end of our debate, he told me, sis --- you're way smarter than you think you are. With that said ... that is what I saw in those two post, which made me think of Plato's cave.
Many years later I re enter college and one of my courses was humanities and philosophy ... (small town college) When the class began the teacher asked the class, while pointing to a desk, what is that? I raised my hand and said --- "it is whatever you want it to be." The others in the classroom could not wrap their heads around that answer and I won't forget the look on that teacher's face.
I have patience for some things, other things, not so much. I recognize authority without fear, because I know they are no different than I am. They have a job to do and so do I. There is no right way or wrong way, only a way.
Courage ... it does take courage (do not sell yourself short) to go against that which has been labeled by others normal for you from birth. Change does happen over time and change can be seen in others through the sharing of ideas.
The door being that it is whatever I want it to be --- it doesn't exist for me. People exist, but their labels do not. And that encompasses my world view. And just when I think God broke the mold after me, turns out, I hear things that make me go hum, can they read my mind? With that said, I take Plato's cave one step farther and remove the cave.
~ cheers~
This is a very nice post and thanks for sharing.
One comment though, these philosophies are good but the application of them in reality can be obfuscated by unknown truths.
For example I find libertarians have a far too limited definition of what Freedom is.
pknopp, I'm sorry but sometimes your posts go right over my head.
Is the subject of your sentence the OP, and if so what is the meaning of the sentence?
LOL, sometimes I do make statements that can only be followed if you have taken the time to read all the replies. Not that I always do either.
I was asked if I supported the "Social Contract". I noted that everyone does except for perhaps extreme Anarchists and explained why that was. That it was noted that Libertarians believed the government should enforce the private ownership of property and that would be a part of a social contract.
It was wisely dropped by the one who asked and not pursued outside of one.
LOL, sometimes I do make statements that can only be followed if you have taken the time to read all the replies. Not that I always do either.
I was asked if I supported the "Social Contract". I noted that everyone does except for perhaps extreme Anarchists and explained why that was. That it was noted that Libertarians believed the government should enforce the private ownership of property and that would be a part of a social contract.
It was wisely dropped by the one who asked and not pursued outside of one.
ahh, thanks.
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Ten years ago I signed up to be a VISTA (volunteer in service to america) which encompasses a great idea, but the people in charge have other ideas of their own that spoils the whole concept. I withdrew my commitment after only 3 months. It was not a good fit for me; that's my story and I'm sticking to it. 
