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Old 01-04-2019, 05:55 PM
 
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You can call it whatever you want. The main question is who the initiator of force is (or violator of property, if you don't count that as the same thing).
Just so we are clear with you. Force is OK. I have little desire to argue who should enact the force because as a society we are not going to allow individuals or corporations so there is little need to even address it
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Old 01-04-2019, 05:56 PM
 
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No it's not. Just saying so doesn't make it so.
I suggest we do away with an income tax and enact an income toll.

Not that anyone has explained how this other system would work despite me asking many times. It's because it wouldn't.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Just so we are clear with you. Force is OK. I have little desire to argue who should enact the force because as a society we are not going to allow individuals or corporations so there is little need to even address it
Yes, defensive force good. Using force against innocent people bad.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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It benefited many people outside of the development. People who worked for you. Picked up your trash. etc. Roads benefit nearly everyone.



Developers would have asked far more for the houses. Developers do not maintain roads. They sell the houses and cut and run leaving that up to others.



Go ahead, tell me how you are going to get people to pay for the roads they use. Remember, it can't be taxes or use of force. (tolls are still taxes).



Everyone uses roads. Everyone. They are paying for the roads they use. You say they are not using the road across the town but that isn't true either. Their employee is. Their groceries get delivered across these roads. etc.





Romans had taxes.
Once again, look up how the internet works. Roads can work the same way.

Romans had slaves too.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:38 PM
 
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Yes, defensive force good. Using force against innocent people bad.
As a society "you are driving on my road, pay me or I beat you" isn't going to fly.

Reminds me of Cool Hand Luke. "What's your dirt doing in the bosses ditch"?
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:41 PM
 
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Once again, look up how the internet works. Roads can work the same way.

Romans had slaves too.
Tell me how. Please. A toll at every neighborhood? Every exit? Can anyone enact a toll road or do you have to be approved? How are you going to take your road across private property?
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:47 PM
 
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The issue I have with choice is without force, we wouldn't have an educated workforce. Not enough have the resources for a true choice system to work.
How were people educated before public schools?
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:54 PM
 
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Tell me how. Please. A toll at every neighborhood? Every exit? Can anyone enact a toll road or do you have to be approved? How are you going to take your road across private property?
Do you pay a toll for every website you visit?

The internet is not owned by one government or one country. It’s mostly privately owned by millions of businesses. Yet somehow without the government, information flows around the earth.

How do you pay the internet? You pay your local provider (district roads), the local provider pays the regional provider (municipal roads or intrastate highways), they in turn pay the national backbone provider (interstate highway) and the national pays the international backbone provider.
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Old 01-04-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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How were people educated before public schools?
Largely by the church.
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Old 01-04-2019, 07:04 PM
 
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Do you pay a toll for every website you visit?

The internet is not owned by one government or one country. It’s mostly privately owned by millions of businesses. Yet somehow without the government, information flows around the earth.

How do you pay the internet? You pay your local provider (district roads), the local provider pays the regional provider (municipal roads or intrastate highways), they in turn pay the national backbone provider (interstate highway) and the national pays the international backbone provider.
That's how taxes work.
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