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Old 04-09-2008, 04:38 AM
 
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I'm still waiting for you to post something factual, and for you to list a source. How about telling me about the president and their budgets again?
The wait is for you to accept the facts...any facts at all it seems.

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As for your current statements that businesses and the economy does not go in cycles, you've once again proved your ignorance of economics.
It is you who lacks an understanding of the dismal science. Also, if the above is any evidence, of the English language. The claim was that there are (mysterious and unnamed) natural forces that that dictate the event of a recession within some relatively brief time frame starting from the event of last one. This is pure mumbo-jumbo. There are no such forces. This is a transparent attempt at excuse-making as a cover-up for the gross failures of our recent national leadership, and those of an ill-advised devotion to principles of pie-eyed laissez-faire free market capitalism that was ongoing even before the arrival of this group on the scene. In other words, another refusal by some to face the facts...

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Old 04-09-2008, 04:47 AM
 
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Sight a source comeon let's get real. Look it up. The unemployment rate only show people currently on umemployment-meaning they are in the system collecting checks.
Who told you that? It certainly wasn't BLS. As if it weren't obvious, here is what they say about your claim...

Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.

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Unfortunatly you can only collect these checks depending on how much you worked in a year or 18 mths prior to collecting. On average it will last about 36 weeks and then you no longer will receive benefits after 36 weeks and are no longer on unemployment benefits. If you are still not working after expired benefits you will not be counted because you are not in the system receiving benefits. Do you get it now?
I certainly have an even broader understanding of the fact that you, like others here of a similar bent, have no actual understanding of the subject areas in which you profess to have such proficiency.
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:53 AM
 
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The World Almanac and Book of Facts uses, "all adults over 16 years old not working" as unemployed. It doesn't go by who is collecting unemployment insurance or those who stopped looking for jobs.
The World Almanac does not compile unemployment statistics. It requests and then publishes such statistics from the people who do compile them...the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The definitions used by BLS in collecting and tabulating employment data are available on their website, but is quite apparent from what we see here that many people have never read them, and thus, don't have any understanding of what they actually are or mean...
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Rush thinks the President of the United States has no impact on our economy. Agree?

I think that the only people who can continue to give Limbaugh any credibility whatsoever are those folks who are in deep, deep denial over the events of the past seven years.
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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It is you who lacks an understanding of the dismal science. Also, if the above is any evidence, of the English language. The claim was that there are (mysterious and unnamed) natural forces that that dictate the event of a recession within some relatively brief time frame starting from the event of last one. This is pure mumbo-jumbo. There are no such forces. This is a transparent attempt at excuse-making as a cover-up for the gross failures of our recent national leadership, and those of an ill-advised devotion to principles of pie-eyed laissez-faire free market capitalism that was ongoing even before the arrival of this group on the scene. In other words, another refusal by some to face the facts...
Are you as well-versed reading employment figures as you are in discerning the Government roles in appropriating funds (ie spending)?

Here you go saganista;

FindLaw: Cases and Codes: U.S. Constitution

Pay particular attention to Articles 1 & 2.

Index of the Constitution

And here. Please note Article 1, Section 7, "Passage of Bills". And Section 8.

You will notice that the Article II, pertaining to the Executive, short and sweet. On the other hand, Article I, congressional authority....well, you can see the differences, yes?

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Old 04-09-2008, 06:35 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I think that the only people who can continue to give Limbaugh any credibility whatsoever are those folks who are in deep, deep denial over the events of the past seven years.
Dittoheads are not part of the reality-based community.

http://www.golfdigest.com/images/magazine/2007/08/maar01_finalexam0708.jpg (broken link)

The Michael Jackson glove is a nice touch, though.
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:15 AM
 
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Are you as well-versed reading employment figures as you are in discerning the Government roles in appropriating funds (ie spending)? Here you go saganista;
Based on what has been posted here, it is a very safe bet that I am far more well-versed in almost any matter related to economics than the various poseurs who have chosen to post along. Insults and disinformation do not an argument make. The President writes the budget. The President has a major impact on the economy. Rush Limbaugh is a paid partisan hack. Get used to it...
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Based on what has been posted here, it is a very safe bet that I am far more well-versed in almost any matter related to economics than the various poseurs
Even when tiny inconveniences like FACTS and the U.S. Constitution get in the way?
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:23 AM
 
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Based on what has been posted here, it is a very safe bet that I am far more well-versed in almost any matter related to economics than the various poseurs who have chosen to post along. Insults and disinformation do not an argument make. The President writes the budget. The President has a major impact on the economy. Rush Limbaugh is a paid partisan hack. Get used to it...
Haha.. and you come back to post yet again, without ONE SOURCE for your argument. Just ONE.. Find ONE source that says the president writes the budget.

I remember Clinton shutting down the government because he didnt get a budget from the Congress that he liked.

According to you, Clinton wrote the budget, then shut down the government because he didnt like the budget that he wrote.. WRONG.. He didnt like the budget that CONGRESS wrote.

Thanks for some morning humor..
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I think "W" has had excellent unemployment figures during his term, don't you?

Bureau of Labor Statistics Home Page

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Series Id: LNS14000000Seasonal AdjustedSeries title: (Seas) Unemployment RateLabor force status: Unemployment rateType of data: PercentAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1992 7.3 7.4 7.4 7.4 7.6 7.8 7.7 7.6 7.6 7.3 7.4 7.4
1993 7.3 7.1 7.0 7.1 7.1 7.0 6.9 6.8 6.7 6.8 6.6 6.5
1994 6.6 6.6 6.5 6.4 6.1 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.9 5.8 5.6 5.5
1995 5.6 5.4 5.4 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.6
1996 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.3 5.5 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.4 5.4
1997 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.1 4.9 5.0 4.9 4.8 4.9 4.7 4.6 4.7
1998 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.4
1999 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.3 4.2 4.3 4.3 4.2 4.2 4.1 4.1 4.0
2000 4.0 4.1 4.0 3.8 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.1 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.9
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5.0 5.3 5.5 5.7
2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6.0
2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7
2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4
2005 5.2 5.4 5.2 5.1 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.8
2006 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.8 4.7 5.0
2008 4.9 4.8 5.1
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