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Old 01-01-2019, 02:23 PM
 
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One reason Trump has stated for the wall to stop the inflow of drugs. However, most smuggled drugs come through legal ports of entry. The reason is a lack of resources (man power and scanning detection devices) at the ports. So a wall would not have a significant impact on drug trafficking.


https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/wi...rug-smuggling/

Even it were true we still have thousands of illegal aliens crossing our border every month and the good walls in place have been very effective in deterring them. We need to complete the rest of that 700 miles with the good walls rather than the flimsy fencing in place in those areas now.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:23 PM
 
Location: USA
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Trump is insisting on sucking 5 Billion Tax Dollars for the purchase of cement. It s a deal considering the mob is still likely in the cement business. He knows a guy.
What evidence do you have of that, or are you just talking out of your *ss due to Trump hate? A company I worked for provided materials, and construction, including cement to a Trump parking garage project. I know for a FACT they aren't MOB as I worked there in upper management.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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What evidence do you have of that, or are you just talking out of your *ss due to Trump hate? A company I worked for provided materials, and construction, including cement to a Trump parking garage project. I know for a FACT they aren't MOB as I worked there in upper management.
You. Clearly. Dont understand the Mob.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:30 PM
 
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Why is the wall such a joke to the Dems?

There is a problem at the border. A wall would funnel "migrants" that have a legitimate request for asylum etc.. to places where they could plead their cases instead of trying their luck through more dangerous areas of the border.



I thought the Dems were all about the humanitarian aspect of the "migrants" ? Where is the humanity forcing people to take a dangerous journey and dragging their kids along with them? A wall would stop them from trying and put them in a spot where they could be safe and receive care.

But then again the ones that are risking their lives and trying to bypass our border security know they are breaking the law and that doesn't matter to them because they know if they are caught there are very few penalties for them.



What is happening at the border and happening to our country is not a joke.
Yes I believe America has a huge problem with illegal immigration. Much of this is about putting a claim out there that anyone can enjoy the "American Dream". You have to stop that and put warnings out instead. The American Dream is dead. Your embassies worldwide should be putting signs up saying "Not Welcome". Suppose applying for citizenship takes months or years to approve.

Why didn't anyone warn the 1000s of walkers from Honduras that they will not be allowed in and there would be military guards posted on the border and their children would be detained? Why not give them the opportunity to change their course? It was cruel not to do so.

Building a wall is not going to stop immigrants from getting in. There will just be more sophisticated tunnels being dug. Desperation is the mother of invention.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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Since corporations have received such lovely permanent tax cuts, let them pay the Grifter in Chief back by paying to name sections of the wall after themselves as they do with stadiums these days.
The wall or great fence is almost useless in stopping determined people or people who want to get cargo across the border. I have seen people go over the 15 to 18 foot tall steel spiked wall / fence near Nogales in 15 seconds. They have a wooden home made ladder on the Mexico side, with a rope that they can lower themselves down on the US side. Then they toss a few packages over the wall / fence and off they go. If a taller wall is built, all that is needed is to make taller ladders. There are lots of big box hardware stores in every border city in Mexico. Heck, you can even to go Home Depot.

Sure, let corporations finance sections of the near useless wall / fence with their own advertising logos, that will create jobs. The funny thing is, lots of those private corporations would use contractors that would employ undocumented construction workers to build the wall, because who do those contractors hire today?

I spent many years of my military service along the former border that separated the old East and West Germany. The walls / fences that kept the East Germans from crossing into freedom in West Germany were effective, but they had a 5 kilometer exclusion zone, so people in the East could not get within 5 kilometers of the border without a special pass. (note, this did not apply to the wall between east and west Berlin, where there was no large exclusion zone on the eastern side, just more guard towers and a somewhat bigger kill zone in some places). Then there was a wide cleared area with patrol dogs, sensors and trip wires before the first razor wire fence (with more sensors), then a 50 to 100 meter kill zone with land mines, and carefully placed guard towers with armed guards with orders to shoot to kill. There was a high speed vehicle patrol road inside the kill zone, so guards could go from guard towers to a location where the sensors went off, then shoot to kill the people trying to cross. The first razor wire fence and the land mines would usually slowed down the persons trying to cross long enough until the guards arrived. Then there was a second and final solid concrete wall, about 4 meters high. Very few people were ever documented to reach the second wall alive.

This model would not work for the US-Mexico border, because in effect the US would have to seal off a 5 kilometer exclusion zone on the US side of the border. Then build a double wall / fence system with far more border security people than what are currently used. Then convert the US border security into full out kill squads with shoot to kill orders. And then, the US would gain a standing in the world somewhere along side of North Korea.

All of the above would not stop the people who arrive in the US with tourist visas a airports, who simply overstay their tourist visa and become undocumented residents. These amount to half of all undocumented residents. Why not fix this problem first?
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Trump is insisting on sucking 5 Billion Tax Dollars for the purchase of cement. It s a deal considering the mob is still likely in the cement business. He knows a guy.
Illegal aliens already in this country suck a lot more than $5 billion tax dollars every year. Why do left-wingers always ignore that fact?
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:46 PM
 
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Even it were true we still have thousands of illegal aliens crossing our border every month and the good walls in place have been very effective in deterring them. We need to complete the rest of that 700 miles with the good walls rather than the flimsy fencing in place in those areas now.
So you are cool with Trump lying? Why should we believe him that 5bn for a wall is the best way to secure the border if he is a liar?
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:46 PM
 
Location: USA
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You. Clearly. Dont understand the Mob.
You. Clearly. Don't understand how business, nor politics works. So Trump would risk using the MOB when Congressional oversight would reveal such, and eat him alive? Yeah, that would so be worth it.

I'm Italian, and from South Philly. I know how the MOB works.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:47 PM
 
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The joke is what is happening at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
And what, precisely would that be? (Without using grade school insults)
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:30 PM
 
Location: USA
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Illegal aliens already in this country suck a lot more than $5 billion tax dollars every year. Why do left-wingers always ignore that fact?
They "FEEL" it is trendy, and chic to support ILLEGALS coming here because their elite masters tell them its cool, and hip. It doesn't matter that they could be criminals, terrorists, gang members, or just welfare seekers.
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