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Old 01-01-2019, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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NOTHING will EVER have an impact on the drug traffic.

If we don't know that after the past 50 years....I don't know what will teach it.
Actually one thing will. Legalizing weed and/or other drugs here.

Then less drugs will need to be imported.
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:34 PM
 
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Why is the wall such a joke to the Dems?

There is a problem at the border. A wall would funnel "migrants" that have a legitimate request for asylum etc.. to places where they could plead their cases instead of trying their luck through more dangerous areas of the border.



I thought the Dems were all about the humanitarian aspect of the "migrants" ? Where is the humanity forcing people to take a dangerous journey and dragging their kids along with them? A wall would stop them from trying and put them in a spot where they could be safe and receive care.

But then again the ones that are risking their lives and trying to bypass our border security know they are breaking the law and that doesn't matter to them because they know if they are caught there are very few penalties for them.



What is happening at the border and happening to our country is not a joke.

The wall is the joke.


The wall is an insane idea for many reasons. By the standard of improved security, Trump’s plan is, at best, half-baked. A recent Government Accountability Office report warned of the possibility of massive waste because the administration’s border plans are so undeveloped. A proposal that may eventually cost $40 billion (estimate per MIT engineers) has been shaped more by the president’s political instincts than by serious study of alternatives. Agents in the field overwhelmingly request better technology and more personnel rather than longer and higher border barriers.
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Old 01-01-2019, 03:36 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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You. Clearly. Don't understand how business, nor politics works. So Trump would risk using the MOB when Congressional oversight would reveal such, and eat him alive? Yeah, that would so be worth it.

I'm Italian, and from South Philly. I know how the MOB works.
My wife is Italian and is from Jersey. She has no idea how the MOB works. I doubt you know either. Watching The Sopranos doesn't count as knowing about the MOB.
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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They "FEEL" it is trendy, and chic to support ILLEGALS coming here because their elite masters tell them its cool, and hip. It doesn't matter that they could be criminals, terrorists, gang members, or just welfare seekers.
And they sure sound silly when they complain about the cost of a wall when compared to the illegal aliens' annual cost.
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Great. Then he doesn't need Schumer and Pelosi to agree to anything. Open everything back up and he can use that money to fund his 30-foot-tall phallic symbol/wall. Sounds like everyone's a winner here. (Except we know that it won't happen because he is LYING.)
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Old 01-01-2019, 04:57 PM
 
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Why is the wall such a joke to the Dems?

There is a problem at the border. A wall would funnel "migrants" that have a legitimate request for asylum etc.. to places where they could plead their cases instead of trying their luck through more dangerous areas of the border.



I thought the Dems were all about the humanitarian aspect of the "migrants" ? Where is the humanity forcing people to take a dangerous journey and dragging their kids along with them? A wall would stop them from trying and put them in a spot where they could be safe and receive care.

But then again the ones that are risking their lives and trying to bypass our border security know they are breaking the law and that doesn't matter to them because they know if they are caught there are very few penalties for them.



What is happening at the border and happening to our country is not a joke.
Dems wouldn't want a wall even if it was free. It dries up their source of continuous new voters. That's their #1 priority. There are millions of Dem voters today whose parents and grandparents were illegals. Why on earth would Democrats give that up?
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Old 01-01-2019, 05:33 PM
 
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The wall is the joke.


The wall is an insane idea for many reasons. By the standard of improved security, Trumpís plan is, at best, half-baked. A recent Government Accountability Office report warned of the possibility of massive waste because the administrationís border plans are so undeveloped. A proposal that may eventually cost $40 billion (estimate per MIT engineers) has been shaped more by the presidentís political instincts than by serious study of alternatives. Agents in the field overwhelmingly request better technology and more personnel rather than longer and higher border barriers.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work
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Old 01-01-2019, 05:38 PM
 
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Yes I believe America has a huge problem with illegal immigration. Much of this is about putting a claim out there that anyone can enjoy the "American Dream". You have to stop that and put warnings out instead. The American Dream is dead. Your embassies worldwide should be putting signs up saying "Not Welcome". Suppose applying for citizenship takes months or years to approve.

Why didn't anyone warn the 1000s of walkers from Honduras that they will not be allowed in and there would be military guards posted on the border and their children would be detained? Why not give them the opportunity to change their course? It was cruel not to do so.

Building a wall is not going to stop immigrants from getting in. There will just be more sophisticated tunnels being dug. Desperation is the mother of invention.
Wrong! The good walls will stop the majority of them or are you one of those that think if it's not 100% effective it's useless? Ever heard of tunnel sensors? The last person that tried to scale one of the good wall broke both legs trying to doing so.


I have posted several links proving that the good walls are very effective. Did you miss them or just ignore them?


https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work
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Old 01-01-2019, 05:40 PM
 
Location: USA
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Other countries use walls on all, or parts of their border. Why can't the U.S.?
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Old 01-01-2019, 05:42 PM
 
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The wall or great fence is almost useless in stopping determined people or people who want to get cargo across the border. I have seen people go over the 15 to 18 foot tall steel spiked wall / fence near Nogales in 15 seconds. They have a wooden home made ladder on the Mexico side, with a rope that they can lower themselves down on the US side. Then they toss a few packages over the wall / fence and off they go. If a taller wall is built, all that is needed is to make taller ladders. There are lots of big box hardware stores in every border city in Mexico. Heck, you can even to go Home Depot.

Sure, let corporations finance sections of the near useless wall / fence with their own advertising logos, that will create jobs. The funny thing is, lots of those private corporations would use contractors that would employ undocumented construction workers to build the wall, because who do those contractors hire today?

I spent many years of my military service along the former border that separated the old East and West Germany. The walls / fences that kept the East Germans from crossing into freedom in West Germany were effective, but they had a 5 kilometer exclusion zone, so people in the East could not get within 5 kilometers of the border without a special pass. (note, this did not apply to the wall between east and west Berlin, where there was no large exclusion zone on the eastern side, just more guard towers and a somewhat bigger kill zone in some places). Then there was a wide cleared area with patrol dogs, sensors and trip wires before the first razor wire fence (with more sensors), then a 50 to 100 meter kill zone with land mines, and carefully placed guard towers with armed guards with orders to shoot to kill. There was a high speed vehicle patrol road inside the kill zone, so guards could go from guard towers to a location where the sensors went off, then shoot to kill the people trying to cross. The first razor wire fence and the land mines would usually slowed down the persons trying to cross long enough until the guards arrived. Then there was a second and final solid concrete wall, about 4 meters high. Very few people were ever documented to reach the second wall alive.

This model would not work for the US-Mexico border, because in effect the US would have to seal off a 5 kilometer exclusion zone on the US side of the border. Then build a double wall / fence system with far more border security people than what are currently used. Then convert the US border security into full out kill squads with shoot to kill orders. And then, the US would gain a standing in the world somewhere along side of North Korea.

All of the above would not stop the people who arrive in the US with tourist visas a airports, who simply overstay their tourist visa and become undocumented residents. These amount to half of all undocumented residents. Why not fix this problem first?
Read my last post. Who the hell said that a wall would stop visa over stayers? It's for border jumpers, duh. The visa over stayers are a separate problem that needs to be dealt with in a different way. They are both problems. We can't tackle them both? But instead you want to ignore the border jumpers when there are thousands crossing our border illegally every month? WTH??? No such thing as an undocumented anything either they are illegal aliens.
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