*****It's All About That WALL, 'bout That WALL, 'bout That WALL...***** MERGED (abortion, FBI)

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by TomC23

From what my friends in Texas tell me, I would imagine that most Texans would say if you are going to spend five billion on concrete in their state, then use that concrete to help with the overtaxed crowded highways around the Texas Metro areas.

That's a state issue not a federal one. The wall doesn't have to be a concrete one anyway. Trump has spoken with the Border Patrol and they want the tall steel slat ones with a pointed top so they can see who is approaching from the other side. Our highways are deterring in part due to the number of illegal aliens in our country placing more stress on our highways and roads.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by EveryLady

The issue (here) is that the wall appears to make so little sense in some areas (private land, Rio Grande valley) that even Republicans won't fully fund it. At which point, the concern becomes what Trump might do to dredge up funds. He can't have the military build it or ransack funds appropriated outside Homeland Security.

But it's never been clear whether he might be able to access funds within Homeland Security - and reduce border security where it matters.

That concern may be unfounded but Trump does have a talent for generating chaos and uncertainty.

So, yeah (personally) not building the wall is about "border security." That was my take on day 1 and nothing he's done or said since then really clarifies much.

If the wall weren't feasible then why did congress pass the wall bill in the first place back in 2006? I have posted several links proving that the good walls do work and even from the Border Patrol and Homeland Security. That isn't clear enough for you? How is Trump creating chaos by wanting congress to fulfill their promises to build the wall?

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by illinoisphotographer

I haven't heard many (any I can personally recall) that want filly open borders.

How about the facts that illegal immigration has continued to drop year after year -- without the need of a wall?

the flood gates were opened in 1965...EVERY amnesty bill was written by ted kennedy....

In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.’

old liberal ted lied

as usual all liberal can do is lie

Ronald Reagan was opposed to illegal immigration and amnesty. In fact, if you do a little research you will find that stopping illegal immigration was part of the Republican National Committee’s platform back then and Ronald Reagan ran on that platform.

The 1986 Immigration Reform Act that rewarded illegal aliens with amnesty was known as the Simpson-Massoli bill of 1986. When first drafted, the bill was suppose to make it a criminal offense for aliens who were not authorized to work in the United States a federal criminal act and that it would be a federal crime for employers to hire illegal aliens.

Here's what happened, the Democrats in Congress refused to sign on this bill unless the 1.5 million illegal aliens already thought to be in the country illegally and would qualify for amnesty were rewarded amnesty. (reason being, if these illegal’s were to become U.S. citizens, guess what party they would most likely vote for ? )

So the amnesty part was added on to the bill other wise the Democrats wouldn't sign on. And to muffle the out cry, the American people were told that this amnesty was a one time thing and would never be repeated again.

Well the bill passed both houses of Congress and President Reagan signed the bill. In the inner circles of the administration, Ronald Reagan was to have said he may have made a mistake by signing the bill.
Guess what ?, it wasn't 1.5 million illegal aliens who would have qualified for amnesty. It turns out that over 3 million were rewarded with amnesty, mostly because of the fraud that took place during the amnesty process. Phony rent receipts, phony pay check stubs, liberal judges expunging criminal records of illegal aliens!!!

And after the bill became law, you had Teddy Kennedy watering down the enforcement part of the bill that had to do with enforcing and prosecuting employers who hired illegal aliens.



Here is Ted Kennedy commenting on the 1965 immigration bill,Quote
“The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission.” End of Quote.

In 1994, Ted Kennedy’s Section 245(i) Amnesty gave legal residence and jobs to 578,000 illegal aliens. It was a temporary rolling amnesty primarily for extended family members of immigrants who instead of waiting in line, come on to the country illegally.

In 1997, Ted Kennedy’s extension of the Section 245(i) rolling amnesty was followed by an increasing flow of illegal immigration.

In 1997, Ted Kennedy also won an amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America. Illegal immigration sped up some more.

In 1998, Ted Kennedy won an amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.

In 2000, Ted Kennedy got the so-called Late Amnesty, legalizing another 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed that they missed out on Kennedy’s 1986 amnesty.

In 2000, Ted Kennedy also won the LIFE Act Amnesty for an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens. It was another reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty...an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens. Illegal immigration accelerated.





again what can you count on... liberals will lie no matter what

liberals(fascists) will always lie

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

That's a state issue not a federal one. The wall doesn't have to be a concrete one anyway. Trump has spoken with the Border Patrol and they want the tall steel slat ones with a pointed top so they can see who is approaching from the other side. Our highways are deterring in part due to the number of illegal aliens in our country placing more stress on our highways and roads.

you are correct..it doesn't have to be concrete and be like the Great Wall of China..it could be a fence.. or an electrified fence..or even a mine field..

the point is secure our borders


why is it that the liberals have NO INTEREST in a secure nation???

[trobesmom]

Originally Posted by oceangaia

Are you serious? It isn't thousands per month, it's tens of thousands per month. From the CBP website:


In November, 51,856 people were apprehended between ports of entry on the Southwest Border, compared with 51,001 in the month of October. In FY18, a total of 396,579 individuals were apprehended between ports of entry on our Southwest Border.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


Especially concerning is that 60% of them are families or unaccompanied minors, which the courts have given special rights making them essentially undeportable.

I think the poster was referencing the conversation between Sanders and Wallace and her assertion that 4,000 terrorists came in at the southern border.

[trobesmom]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

you are correct..it doesn't have to be concrete and be like the Great Wall of China..it could be a fence.. or an electrified fence..or even a mine field..

the point is secure our borders


why is it that the liberals have NO INTEREST in a secure nation???

Ugh. Another poster who doesn't bother to read the myriad of posts that Dems want border security. SMDH. Lord have mercy, where do you people live? And do you have access to any facts whatsoever?

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by trobesmom

Ugh. Another poster who doesn't bother to read the myriad of posts that Dems want border security. SMDH. Lord have mercy, where do you people live? And do you have access to any facts whatsoever?

They don't want a physical barrier on the most porous areas of our border though even though proven to work and desired by the Border Patrol. They can't use costs as an excuse either because it's cheaper to build the wall than continuing having to pay the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us.


I wonder why Schumer and Obama and other Democrats wanted the wall back in 2006 and signed legislation to make it happen but now that Trump wants them to fulfill their promise they have changed their minds? Hmm. Very suspect.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

Ronald Reagan was opposed to illegal immigration and amnesty. In fact, if you do a little research you will find that stopping illegal immigration was part of the Republican National Committee’s platform back then and Ronald Reagan ran on that platform.

And if you do a little research you will find this

Ronald Reagan calls for an open border with Mexico, 1980


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUXXw6xr4gI

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by trobesmom

Ugh. Another poster who doesn't bother to read the myriad of posts that Dems want border security. SMDH. Lord have mercy, where do you people live? And do you have access to any facts whatsoever?

bull... if dems actually WANTED border security, then they would have secured the border going back to 86, when Ted Kennedy PROMISED to secure the border... or back in 05/06 when the border fence was passed..but the dims defunded it..why because they DONT WANT A SECURE BORDER..actions not words

you have been measured and found wanting

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by what'd i miss

Clearly Trump Administration is no longer concerned about terrorists coming through our airports.

Originally Posted by Old Gringo

By shutting down the govt and putting airport security personnel on unpaid duty.

They don't go through security on the other side? They just let them stroll through their airport....