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If Trump declares a state of emergency, does that mean that the shutdown ends right away?
And if it does end right away and the declaration is overturned by judges, would the shutdown resume or stay shut down?
The government is shut down because it is not funded. Only Congress can release the funds, which Trump then has to sign. He can declare an emergency to get the wall built but that does not release funds to reopen government. Presumably after the emergency declaration he would sign the funding bill he has so far refused to sign, and government would then be reopen.
What is sticky is if what Trump declares is really considered a National Security 'Emergency' matter, when it appears the facts that support his claim that 'a wall' will stop it all when in fact government agency data reveals illegal border crossings have fell over the past decade and most illegal trafficking comes through various Ports of Entry.
So I think there could be a legal challenge, however The National Emergencies Act would more than likely be upheld by SCOTUS.
One glaring weakness in your argument. Areas of the border that are uncontrolled won't be interdicting the drugs going through them. So to say most is unprovable. It would apply in context to most drugs that are detected come through the ports of entry but the total coming in is unknown when all are not detected.
We know there is a drug problem with drugs getting in. They are here. If we could detect more there would be less here.
So why is this fight happening on of all things the “wall”?
Its a fight of globalism vs nationalism
You see if theres a wall people have to ask for asylum in mexico. If there is no wall but are other forms of border protection (drones etc) the illegals get to request asylum on usa land. This starts the clock on them being released in the usa. It is all about globalist goals of many in both parties to have a global government.
No this is about Trump manufacturing a crisis that doesn't exist to rile up his base.
FWIW, Rush Limbaugh is now saying all he needs to do is attempt to declare a state of emergency, then his base will think he's done all he can.
Even Rush Limbaugh knows, in no uncertain terms, that Trump can NOT declare an emergency and build the wall.
I forget what else that blowhard said next. Maybe something about then he'll raise his hands in defeat, and reopen the government.
I hope he does too.
Then the next Democratic president can declare the environment a 'state of Emergency" and force his will that way .
This is just dumb.
One of my friends works for the FBI and not in some high paying job either. She is a Republican in a red state and ambivalent about Trump and politics in general. But now she HATES him; she is so pissed. She's not getting a paycheck tomorrow and again, this is not a high paying job. Probably in the 35-40 range. Not a lot when you have a house to pay for.
One glaring weakness in your argument. Areas of the border that are uncontrolled won't be interdicting the drugs going through them. So to say most is unprovable. It would apply in context to most drugs that are detected come through the ports of entry but the total coming in is unknown when all are not detected.
We know there is a drug problem with drugs getting in. They are here. If we could detect more there would be less here.
"because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know. "
Donald Rumsfeld, Feb. 12 2002
Yes but one has to admit that if they are entering via Ports of Entry, and it's known- why wouldn't a comprehensive Border Security package be approved? And I believe that is precisely what the House and Senate presented to the President (who had initially agreed to sign), then balked on the mound when sideline coaches Limbaugh and Ingraham distracted him.
Ariadne22, Republicans and Democrats of both houses negotiated, resolved their differences, and passed a budget act on to the White House. President Donald Trump did not sign it. In this case he's the obstructionist and as long as that same process continues to be repeated, he'll remain being the obstructionist.
That's not true. That's physically impossible. A bill approved by both houses automatically becomes law if the President does not veto it. His signature is not needed. Presidents often sign it to show that they endorse it but sometimes let it go into the law without signing it to show that they do not support it but will not block it.
What actually happened is the Senate passed a bill with no wall funding, The House indicated they would approve it until Trump said he would veto it, so then the House passed a bill with wall funding, which was blocked from a floor vote in the Senate because it takes 60 votes to force it to end debate.
Why not a Plexi-Glass wall? The illegals can see on the other side (what they think they are missing) but can't get through the shatterproof wall, that is buried 20 feet in the ground (so they can't dig under it). Would this be more cost effective and less ugly than a solid stone wall?
And we could set up a buffet table with brisket and tortillas on our side, with Now Hiring signs in the background, to really drive them crazy.
The general consensus seems to be that Donald Trump sees going the state of emergency declaration is his only way out of this situation to save face.
After painting himself into a corner, the shutdown continues to get worse and worse for him. By declaring the state of emergency, Trump can still appear to "win" and reopen the government.
If Trump declares the SOE and wants to build the wall, it will be tied up in the court system for YEARS. So Trump can save face by saying that he tried to force the wall through SOE declaration but the "stupid courts" are holding it up. Meanwhile, since he'll look tough and like he didn't back down by trying to force the state of emergency for the wall, he can reopen the gov't and still say "I tried" for the wall.
Trump doesn't get his wall because it has to be fought in court for years, but he'll be able to claim he tired, the government is reopen, everybody wins.
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