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The budgets submitted before the shutdown were bipartisan, they were literally written before the Democrats took back the house. Trump chose not to sign the bipartisan budget. That means the “sides” were Trump vs both republicans and democrats.
No, the above is the lie. The Senate passed a CR without wall and the House passed a CR with wall. There was never a single bill passed by both chambers for Trump to sign. There was never a bill on Trump's desk to sign. That is patently clear because a pocket veto requires 10 days for a passed bill to go unsigned and we were never in a 10 day waiting period.
If the shutdown doesn't end soon, chances are those "dumb" (as you call them) federal employee border patrol folks will just open up the border gates and go home. If you think there's insufficient border security now, just wait 'till that happens. Remember videos of all those tens of thousands eastern Europeans flooding across the "collapsed" Iron Curtain?
Ken
Awesome. There's a bona fide National Emergency that not even Ninth Circus could stop. Great opportunity to enforce the border with military with full authorization to use force.
This is their "help" - they will offer you a loan at 0% for ... wait for it... 60 days. Useless help.
How is that useless unless the shutdown extends beyond 60 days, in which case they could extend the loan repayment. A loan at 0% that could be repaid in full with backpay.
Awesome. There's a bona fide National Emergency that not even Ninth Circus could stop. Great opportunity to enforce the border with military with full authorization to use force.
If trump proclaims a bona fide National Emergency, do you think Mexico will finally pay for the wall as trump promised?
Awesome. There's a bona fide National Emergency that not even Ninth Circus could stop. Great opportunity to enforce the border with military with full authorization to use force.
You might as well come out and admit you want a one-party totalitarian dictatorship; quit beating around the bushes and just say it already.....
Awesome. There's a bona fide National Emergency that not even Ninth Circus could stop. Great opportunity to enforce the border with military with full authorization to use force.
LOL
The military could secure the 2000 mile border - eventually. Wouldn't be quick though, and folks would flood across the border by the thousands within MINUTES. Mobilizing the military takes FARRRRRR longer than that.
There would probably be more successful illegal crossings in the 1st hour than there are in a typical year.
No, the above is the lie. The Senate passed a CR without wall and the House passed a CR with wall. There was never a single bill passed by both chambers for Trump to sign. There was never a bill on Trump's desk to sign. That is patently clear because a pocket veto requires 10 days for a passed bill to go unsigned and we were never in a 10 day waiting period.
Technically, no bill ever reached Trump's desk - that is true. However, you would be hard pressed to argue that Trump did not, in essence, veto the budget. The House and Senate publicly agreed to a budget without a wall. The Senate passed that bill 100-0. Then Trump summoned Paul Ryan to the White House and, lo and behold, Ryan had complete and total a change of heart and refused to put the bill to the floor. Now, the new House has passed the same Senate bill that passed 100-0 and sent it back to the Senate and McConnell refuses to put it to the floor and has expressly said that it is at Trump's behest that he is not doing so.
So, did Trump refuse to sign a particular budget sitting on his desk? No. But Trump chose not to sign the bipartisan budget by directing Ryan and McConnell to ensure that it never reached his desk. Functionally, it is the same thing.
The military could secure the 2000 mile border - eventually. Wouldn't be quick though, and folks would flood across the border by the thousands within MINUTES. Mobilizing the military takes FARRRRRR longer than that.
Ken
The military can mobilize faster than the caravans. Last fall, the military wasn't even a thought until the caravans were in southern Mexico and they still got to the border and laid hundreds of miles of razor wire long before the caravans arrived.
You seem unaware that over 50,000 per month are already coming over. Even if thousands more come over in the first months, it would be vastly made up by steep reductions in the following months.
The Senate passed a CR without wall and the House passed a CR with wall. There was never a single bill passed by both chambers for Trump to sign. There was never a bill on Trump's desk to sign. .
The military can mobilize faster than the caravans. Last fall, the military wasn't even a thought until the caravans were in southern Mexico and they still got to the border and laid hundreds of miles of razor wire long before the caravans arrived.
You seem unaware that over 50,000 per month are already coming over. Even if thousands more come over in the first months, it would be vastly made up by steep reductions in the following months.
Um. I'm not referring to CARAVANS. I'm talking about the thousands of people right across the BORDER. Tens of thousands would stream across in the 1st HOUR.
And if you are thinking that U.S. soldiers are just going to gun down families coming across the border, you are sadly mistaken in projecting racist KKK/Neo-NAZI mentality on folks who don't really believe in that garbage. I come from a military family and there is NO WAY the majority of U.S. soldiers would ever do that. You'd be hard-pressed to find even a small minority willing to do it. Much as YOU may WANT to, military or not, you can't just gun down unarmed civilians - even if they are crossing the border illegally (a misdemeanor on the 1st offense).
The fact is the U.S. military is not trained or equipped for that kind of duty. They could do it, but they'd be less effective than the BP.
Ken
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