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LOL. A "shrewd calculation" after Pelosi told him firmly that no, he was not going to be allowed to give the speech while the government was shut down, even when he tried to insist he would.
You have the timeline wrong. All Pelosi can say is, "you can't give the speech in the House". She can't tell him what to do if he chooses a different venue or if he chooses to send Congress a report. He made Pelosi definitively cancel the speech. It makes her look small and petty.
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What "clouding" of my judgement was that?
I simply stated FACTS.
Pelosi invited Trump to give the SOTU to Congress - FACT
Trump shut the government down - FACT
Pelosi declined to invite Trump to speak until after the government reopened - FACT
Trump tried to bully her by saying IN A JAN 23rd LETTER that he was planning on coming ANYWAY - FACT
Pelosi replied back once again that Trump would not be allowed to give his speech until the government reopened - FACT
Putting "FACT" in all caps doesn't make it a fact. You do realize that don't you?
The fact is the government was shutdown before Pelosi was Speaker. She could not have invited him before the shutdown, it wasn't her invitation to give. The invitation came after she became Speaker, while the government was shutdown. Trump forced her to formally un-invite him and it isn't a pretty color on her.
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Yeah, just like that stunt when he denied Pelosi military aircraft, for her war zone trip at the last minute.
Of course it was a stunt. It was a reminder about separation of powers.
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It's very unlikely Obama would have done anything like what Trump did.
You are conveniently ignoring the fact that no Republican would ever have not invited a Democrat president to the House for the SOTU.
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The house went blue because we the people want the politicians to further the agenda they were elected to perform. The wall is only popular with around 30% of the people, or Trump's base. We the people don't want the wall.
The Senate expanded its Republican majority and Trump won the presidency. The Dems have 1/2 of 1/3 of government. They need to learn the art of the deal.
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Trump is not offering anything to the Dems.
Trump offered quite a lot actually. He even offered to open the government for 30 days if Peolsi was willing to fund border security, including a wall and she said, "no, no funds".
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then I have no doubt the senate will fall in 2020.
2020 is a presidential election year. Even though 2018 was high for a non-presidential year, it was still 13% below 2016. The Senate map also doesn't favor Democrats in 2020. The Republicans are defending more states, but most of those states are solid red states. It also matters who the Democrat nominee is and if he/she can develop coattails.
Yeah ok, like what smarter ways? And you don't have to have border agents stationed at every mile to avoid it being isolated. Install cameras that instantly feed into a central hub and set off an alarm when breached. I wouldn't think it would be fast or easy to carry a long ladder through the desert and quickly scale over a tall wall either.
If it is so easy to breach a wall then why does it work for other countries like Israel?
Because they have soldiers posted all all over the place who will shoot you dead. Do you honestly think that people with bombs are stopped by walls? Put on your thinking cap.
According to Henry Cuellar, US representative from Texas' 28th District, "We will never realize a secure border with Mexico without investing in our border security technology and personnel, and extending border security outward so American borders are the last line of defense, not the first."
Instead of borrowing money from China to build a symbol of separation that is easily breeched, we should be investing in state-of-the-art detection technology, drones, cameras, fixed towers and aerial and underground sensors, ... increased border personnel, better coordination with Mexico, ...
A wall doesn't address the illicit trafficking of people and drugs or do anything about visa overstays.
Yeah ok, like what smarter ways? And you don't have to have border agents stationed at every mile to avoid it being isolated. Install cameras that instantly feed into a central hub and set off an alarm when breached. I wouldn't think it would be fast or easy to carry a long ladder through the desert and quickly scale over a tall wall either.
If it is so easy to breach a wall then why does it work for other countries like Israel?
The Israeli wall is not built to repel immigrants but to cutdown on terrorist infiltration. The government probably isn't the forthcoming on statistics or policies in place as opposed to the reality at the wall but there is some degree of shooting-to-kill.
That's also how the Berlin wall worked (in this case to prevent those leaving). And the same principal is true for river crossings in the former Communistic Eastern Europe. The difficulty in crossing was not the barrier but the fear of death.
For truly isolated areas, I've no idea how practical it is that drones could identify encroachments with border patrol able to respond quickly enough to scoop them up.
Make the penalty high enough they will not come - be it a shoot-to-kill or e-verify.
So we’re in agreement. There is no invitation required, nor is the location of any address specified.
Mrs. Pelosi is thus irrelevant to the debate.
WE are NOT in agreement. The President can come to either branch of Congress whenever he wants. BUT, he can't use the speakers podium, without both Houses concurring that he can.
If he were to adjourn the House and Senate, he would have no audience. Trump apparently learned this lesson quicker than you seem to have. Pelosi had him by the gonads, squeezed, and didn't let go. And did it with aplomb and a grin.
He got schooled. Trump followers should learn from this also.
If she passed a bill that gave tRump everything he demands and more, tRump could still keep the govt closed. And the entire world knows he's unstable enough to do exactly that. He can't be trusted and his word is worthless.
So we’re in agreement. There is no invitation required, nor is the location of any address specified.
Mrs. Pelosi is thus irrelevant to the debate.
If that's the case, it makes Trump even more stupid. If what you say is true, he should have taken his time and done his homework, and then he could have called her bluff.
Only offered 10 bills to open the govt. turtle head said no 4/5 times already
No to opening the government with no wall. The other GOP Presidents might have had stupid stamped on their forehead but we are in a whole different place now.
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