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What most don't realize about the election process for President of the United States, is that it looks like a single election with 1 winner. In fact it is 50 state elections on which person that states would like to see as president.
Those totals are added up and a winner is declared. The electoral college gives each state a fair chance at electing a President.
The House election that was just held back in November is based on state population, where the Senate is based on two electors from each state.
This. You don't vote for the President in the elections. You are voting for the electors in your state. If an elector is to vote for the candidate you want to win, you're voting for that elector. Once the votes are tallied, the electors then go on to vote for the President.
This is why the left tried so hard to get electors to change their votes before December in 2016 - they wanted the electors who were going to vote for Trump, the electors that the people of the state voted for, to change their vote to Hillary.
Your fricken vote already does count. Every single vote already does count, it just counts on a STATE level. If 4 million people in the state of CA voted Hillary, and 3 million people in the state of CA vote Trump, the electors who would vote Hillary won, and would then cast their vote, for the state, for Hillary. Likewise, if 4 million votes in TX voted Trump, and 3 million voters in TX voted Hillary, the Trump electors won and would then vote for Trump for the STATE.
Each state gets a say, not just the most populated states. Not every state has the same # of electors, it is based on population. The fact is, more people throughout the United States wanted Trump for president. NY and CA do not speak for the rest of the population of this country.
"One person, one vote! All votes should count!" They already DO!
Why should less populace states suffer the TYRANNY of the population centers?
From a philosophical perspective, why shouldn't less-populated states have less power than more-highly-populated states? Ignoring "founding fathers" and all of that - give me the philosophical argument for why a vote in WY should be worth 4X as much as a vote in CA?
We already have the legislative branch, which provides representation of different parts of states and equal representation for each state in the Senate.
And regarding population centers "ruling the day" - that could simply be addressed by destroying "winner take all" vote allocation in a fire (as it should have been centuries ago).
Great idea. The electoral college is a system that doesn't make sense anymore given our increasingly urban population. One person, one vote. The concept seems pretty simple to me. Besides, if Congress believes eliminating it is a bad idea, the bill will fail and it won't matter anyway.
With no electoral college, 3/4 of the states would have no reason to be in the Union any longer. Such a move, if passed, would precipitate the break up of the US.
Liberals see eliminating the electoral college as being a "key" to perpetual dem presidents. However, they would end up being the kings of nothing, as there would be only about ten states left in the Union for them to preside over.
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With no electoral college, 3/4 of the states would have no reason to be in the Union any longer. Such a move, if passed, would precipitate the break up of the US.
Liberals see eliminating the electoral college as being a "key" to perpetual dem presidents. However, they would end up being the kings of nothing, as there would be only about ten states left in the Union for them to preside over.
Then why do other countries stay together that don't have an EC?
Furthermore, I'd be just fine with the interior and the south breaking off and forming their own reich er I mean country
Any Constitutional amendment has to have 2/3 approval of both houses and 2/3 approval of 50 states. Liberals/progressives/democrats are day dreaming and wasting time in the name of their far, far left supporters.
From a philosophical perspective, why shouldn't less-populated states have less power than more-highly-populated states? Ignoring "founding fathers" and all of that - give me the philosophical argument for why a vote in WY should be worth 4X as much as a vote in CA?
We already have the legislative branch, which provides representation of different parts of states and equal representation for each state in the Senate.
And regarding population centers "ruling the day" - that could simply be addressed by destroying "winner take all" vote allocation in a fire (as it should have been centuries ago).
The electoral college was created to reduce the impact of the most populous states (at that time Virginia) selecting the president each and every year.
The colonies had just escaped rule by a distant tyrant and took measures to make sure that would not be repeated in the new government. Less populous states, with no electoral college, would have no reason to remain in the Union, as they would have no say in the election of the POTUS, and thus Supreme Court justices.
Elimination of the electoral college is essentially a declaration of civil war. As such, it is not surprising that the dems would attempt to eliminate the electoral college, as most despise America. particularly those in more rural, less populous states.
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Care to name a few. We can talk specifics.
You didn't do so well with that popular vote list.
Why do you pretend that no country has a national popular vote?
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