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Originally Posted by Absolom
How would reparations work?
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I'm all for it.
I mean there can't be that many former slaves still alive in the US.
Actually, I would support it, but only under all of the following conditions:
1] Must be a natural born US Citizen, excluding Puerto Rico and US Territories; and
2] Must be born before January 1, 1990; and
3] Must be age 30 or older to file a claim; and
4] Must have an high school diploma; and
5] Cannot have any convictions for any felony or misdemeanor crime; and
6] Must submit verifiable documentation that an ancestor was a slave on or after April 12, 1861
7] Must submit DNA testing showing a minimum of 75% African ancestry.
I'm not paying reparations to the real African Americans, or Haitians, or Jamaicans or Puerto Ricans, or to any Free Blacks living in the North or Free Blacks living in the South, and yes, there were entire communities of Free Blacks living in the South at the start of the Civil War with their own Black mayors and Black city council members, or Black plantation owners who owned Black slaves, nor to any Black who was a slave to one of the Five Civilized Tribes (Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek or Seminole).
Blacks who were slaves to one of the Five Civilized Tribes will have to seek reparations from the Cherokee Nation, Chickasaw Nation, Choctaw Nation, Creek Nation or Seminole Nation independently.
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Originally Posted by Pilot1
Also, I think Indian Tribes need to pay reparations to other Indian tribes they murdered and enslaved for thousands of years until Europeans came along, and put a stop to their savage, and barbaric lifestyle.
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The Muslim States and African States need to contribute monies also.
It begs the question, would you be better off as a slave in Africa, or as a slave in the US?
For Blacks, their ancestor was a slave. Period.
Whether their ancestor was a slave to the Yao or one of the many dozens of other African tribal groups that practiced slavery long before the Muslim Arabs showed up in the 800s or whether they were a slave to a White man on a plantation or shop -- and yes, some Black slaves were bookkeepers, accountants, clerks and merchants who wore suits and ties to work and you'd never know they were a slave if you passed them on the street all dressed up in their suits and ties, even though they actually were slaves -- at the end of the day, their ancestor was destined to be a slave.
Call it "God's Plan" or Karma or fate, or bad luck -- maybe they didn't run fast enough or weren't a good warrior in battle -- but the simple fact remains that their ancestor was destined to be a slave.
Would that person even be alive today, if their ancestor had remained as a slave in Africa, instead of being traded or sold and transported to the US?
The chances are slim to none.
And even if their ancestor and his/her descendants had survived, would that person be better off living in Africa today, or the US?
I spent a month in Burkina Faso. I don't think most Blacks (or Whites) could deal with it.
Grass and wood hut. No running water. No electricity. No toilets. A 2 hour round trip to the river and back carrying heavy containers filled with water. Tending a herd of goats. Tending your tarot crop fields, and all by hand. You clear the fields by hand, you hoe the rows by hand, you plant by hand, you weed the fields by hand, your harvest by hand.
No money.
Everything you have you made yourself, or your spouse or children made it, or someone else made it and you traded a bushel or two of your tarot or some goats for it.
Or they could be somewhere else. Somewhere where the question of the day is
"Do you prefer long-sleeve shirts or short-sleeve shirts?"
If you answer "long-sleeve shirts" they cut off both your hands with a machete, and if you answer "short-sleeve shirts" they cut off your arm at the elbow with a machete.
I don't think most people would find either appealing.
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Originally Posted by BentBow
Slavery is a product of Islam. The Moors.
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Slavery was extant in Mesopotamia 7,000 years ago. Native Americans in the Americas practiced slavery for more than 2,000 years before coming into contact with Europeans.
Australasians, Polynesians, Micronesians and Melanesians practiced slavery, and note they had no contact with any Asian, African or European groups until the 1600s and no contact with foreign cultures until the 1800s.
Slavery was widely practiced in Africa and to some extent in Asia.
Oddly, the ethnic tribal groups that arose between the Caucus Mountains and Lake Baikal, which would be the Goths, various Germanic tribes, Turks, Huns, Avars, Tartars, Magyars, the three Slavic tribes, the Slavs, the Antes and the Venedi, and others did not practice slavery until they came into contact with the Roman Empire. The Turks did not until they came into contact with Muslim Arabs.
The Muslim Arabs began the slave trade in the 800s.
For whatever bizarre reason, the Muslim Arabs took Africans to India, Malaysia and Indonesia, and then brought Indians, Malaysians and Indonesians back to the west coast of Africa, usually to what is now South Africa.
If you study Apartheid, it wasn't Blacks and Whites, rather it was Blacks, Whites and Coloreds. The Coloreds were the people from India, Malaysia and Indonesia.
The slave trade was introduced in the 1400s to Western Europeans (but not Central or Eastern Europeans) via the Muslim Arabs, and specifically the Moors.
Why Western Europe? Because the Brits, Dutch, French, Portuguese and Spanish had large global navies.
Why not Italy? Italy doesn't exist. You have the Papal States, which practiced slavery, but those slaves were Slavs acquired by the pope's armies and navies, and then Italian city-States which operated independently and had no need for them.
Same for Central Europe. There is no Germany. There are only principalities, duchies and city-States and they didn't have navies.
Eastern Europe is Orthodox Christian, and they were totally repulsed by Islam and wanted nothing to do with it.
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Originally Posted by Daryl_G
You know why black people go back to slavery when talking about their families or past American history? It's because that is where everything leads back to, you cannot get away from it.
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My family were slaves on a papal estate for more than 600 years.
How about you?
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Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer
All people were originally from the same Continent.
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Not any more.
If you've been keeping score, and I do, the Multiple Region Theory gains more evidence every day, weakening the Out-of-Africa Theory.
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