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Just to make sure I understand, is it in fact your position that we have to give free stuff to poor people so that they won’t get angry and revolt?
Sir, you are correct. Although no one will admit it...that's exactly the case. This government has created a monster. It's like public education in the inner city. My job as a teacher is to keep them penned up 10 hours a day so while you are at work, they aren't ripping you off.
Sir, you are correct. Although no one will admit it...that's exactly the case. This government has created a monster. It's like public education in the inner city. My job as a teacher is to keep them penned up 10 hours a day so while you are at work, they aren't ripping you off.
It is terrible in so many ways that you wrote the above. (Not that you are necessarily wrong, though, in regards to many, but certainly not all, poor people.)
What did people do before the tit? Did they starve? Did they die? Was there chaos and pandemonium in the streets? Now we've got generations of folks that are unwilling and unable to take care of themselves. They expect free milk to continuously from the government tit.
Yes, they starved.
Do you realize the school lunch program started because so many draftees in WWII were unfit for duty because of malnutrition?
Do you realize that people still die today of nothing but being poor? The city of Salem, Oregon recently published a study that people in the poor part of town die 10 years earlier than people in the wealthy part of town.
Do you really think those conditions should be a goal of public policy?
Just to make sure I understand, is it in fact your position that we have to give free stuff to poor people so that they won’t get angry and revolt?
85 - 87 years ago, that is what happened. Those who don't 'learn' from history, repeat it. The government doesn't want to see that again, because born from it could be a revolution. They do not want that. If they keep the people fed and happy, they have less to worry about. And you thought it was for humanitarian reasons. (there are you tube videos of the era, you should watch it gets wild) If there is a system in place that helps to keep the peace, they will keep that system in place. Unless they forget what that system was designed to do, when it was put in place. Trump believes people will figure it out. No doubt they will ... Some one at some time is going to push the fool button. If/when that happens hide and watch, history unfold ...
TOUGH TIMES, TOUGH PEOPLE / The Great Depression
"The 1930s seared the memory of anyone who lived through them, even in California, the Golden State. There were strikes and bloody riots. There was grinding poverty and fear.
Two men were lynched in San Jose, 150 striking farmworkers were rounded up like cattle in rural Contra Costa County, there was a "red scare" in Salinas and what looked like revolution in San Francisco. "
85 - 87 years ago, that is what happened. Those who don't 'learn' from history, repeat it. The government doesn't want to see that again, because born from it could be a revolution. They do not want that. If they keep the people fed and happy, they have less to worry about. And you thought it was for humanitarian reasons. (there are you tube videos of the era, you should watch it gets wild) If there is a system in place that helps to keep the peace, they will keep that system in place. Unless they forget what that system was designed to do, when it was put in place. Trump believes people will figure it out. No doubt they will ... Some one at some time is going to push the fool button. If/when that happens hide and watch, history unfold ...
TOUGH TIMES, TOUGH PEOPLE / The Great Depression
"The 1930s seared the memory of anyone who lived through them, even in California, the Golden State. There were strikes and bloody riots. There was grinding poverty and fear.
Two men were lynched in San Jose, 150 striking farmworkers were rounded up like cattle in rural Contra Costa County, there was a "red scare" in Salinas and what looked like revolution in San Francisco. "
I’m familiar with the history, and the justifications used to support the practice.
Here is a quote from your second link:
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The Federal government passed a bill to help the farmers. Surplus was the problem; farmers were producing too much and driving down the price. The government passed the Agricultural Adjustment Act (AAA) of 1933 which set limits on the size of the crops and herds farmers could produce. Those farmers that agreed to limit production were paid a subsidy. Most farmers signed up eagerly and soon government checks were flowing into rural mail boxes where the money could help pay bank debts or tax payments.
Here is the same quote (with a few small changes):
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The Federal government passed a bill to help the automobile manufacturers. Surplus was the problem; automobile manufacturers were producing too many cars and driving down the price. The government passed the Automobile Adjustment Act (AAA) of 2019 which set limits on the number of cars automobile manufacturers could produce. Those automobile manufacturers that agreed to limit production were paid a subsidy. Most automobile manufacturers signed up eagerly and soon government checks were flowing into mail boxes where the money could help pay bank debts or tax payments.
After swapping “automobile manufacturers” for “farmers,” in the above quote, does anyone want to argue that this actually is a good thing?
Yep, I read the link. It doesn’t address your broken window fallacy position.
I might remind you that I simply responded to you calling me a fool.
Why is it anyone else’s responsibility to bail someone out when they have made the horrible decision to have a family that they can’t afford to feed?
That broken window shtick is so off base, it's comparing apples with feces. A major part of the first food commodities programs was to give farmers a market for their products. The SNAP program, it's not food stamps any more, is still run by the Dept. of Agriculture. It's part of American Agriculture. It's far better than paying farmers not to grow crops, which has also happened. My dad was a Republican elected official in Pennsylvania, and he felt paying farmers not to grow food was a SIN.
You were first with the insults. Here's another appropos saying: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag...d-to-repeat-it "“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”"
You seem to be totally clueless about the history of the Great Depression.
What makes you so sure you can intuit everyone's decision to have a family? Most people fully intend to support their families. Sometimes, things happen. Unemployment, even in a great economy, happens. Death of a breadwinner, happens. Illness, special needs kids, they happen.
Why is it anyone else’s responsibility to bail someone out when they have made the horrible decision to have a family that they can’t afford to feed?
Children are not poor through any fault of their own.
But ultimately society exists because we all benefit from the social contract. Don’t like the social contract? Then don’t live in a society. Or find one more online with your belief that poor Holstein deserve to starve due to their “horrible decisions”.
That broken window shtick is so off base, it's comparing apples with feces.
Then you should have no problem explaining why you believe that to be the case.
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You were first with the insults. Here's another appropos saying: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag...d-to-repeat-it "“Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.”"
You seem to be totally clueless about the history of the Great Depression.
Nope. The first insult was you calling me a fool.
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What makes you so sure you can intuit everyone's decision to have a family?
I’m not doing that. Is there anything else that I’m not doing that you’d like to argue against?
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