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Old 01-12-2019, 04:49 AM
 
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Why is it suddenly an emergency?

Because those who cry WOLF! must make the effort to convince people there really is imminent danger from wolves.
^Nailed it.

 
Old 01-12-2019, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Because those who cry WOLF! must make the effort to convince people there really is imminent danger from wolves.
Kind of how liberals believe capitalism and white men are a danger to social equality. It's ironic to see society's greatest and most oppressed victims (liberals) complain about someone else crying wolf.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 04:52 AM
 
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As usual when Republicans are in office, blame the Democrats. Trump can’t blame them on this one. He’s on tape saying he’ll be proud to take the blame for this one. Trump always talks then tries to make it into something else. Part of his childishness.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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People are acting like Trump is an anomaly.

In fact he is doing exactly what all Republican presidents since Reagan have done.

https://www.alternet.org/2019/01/the...reboot-itself/

At its core, the Republican strategy is simple and elegant: When Republicans are in power, run up as much debt as possible, mostly by borrowing and giving that cash to the Republican donor class through tax cuts and corporate subsidies; when Democrats have political power, Republicans suddenly become hysterical about the debt and demand that Dems keep taxes low while cutting social spending.

When Ronald Reagan became president in 1981, the nation’s debt was a mere $908 billion. He nearly tripled it, to $2.6 trillion,

Reagan, Bush, Bush (and now Trump) all—every one of them—proposed and signed budgets that massively increased the national debt, year after year, relentlessly.

When a Democratic president is in office, however, or even (like 2019) when Democrats control part or all of Congress and want to go big, the Republicans in on this long con scream about the debt on every show, every day.

The national debt, right now, at about 100 percent of GDP, is large, and servicing that debt costs us hundreds of billions of dollars a year that could find better uses.

That said, though, it’s nowhere near as high as it was after World War II, when we paid it down by raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy, and stimulating the economy with direct-benefit-to-workers programs including infrastructure, union jobs, free college education (the GI Bill), and building a social safety net. We could easily do it again
Only one flaw in your rambling post. Obama ran up more than 9 trillion dollars of debt in his 8 years. And Obama was a democrat.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 05:22 AM
 
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Only one flaw in your rambling post. Obama ran up more than 9 trillion dollars of debt in his 8 years. And Obama was a democrat.
The recession and 2 wars might have something to do with that. You think?
 
Old 01-12-2019, 05:27 AM
 
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Only one flaw in your rambling post. Obama ran up more than 9 trillion dollars of debt in his 8 years. And Obama was a democrat.
2 wars (one started with lies) were put on the credit card and then the Treasury Dept. was raided in the form of unneeded tax cuts. Did the GOP think that the wars were free? Any passing 9th grader knows what happens when spending increases and revenues decrease. Obama did spend some stimulus dollars as we were losing 745,000 jobs a month when he took office. Check out the third chart here.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3ba5ce57a107
 
Old 01-12-2019, 06:14 AM
 
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Given the statistics available at Border Patrol, Immigration, etc. it seems the last two years have seen a drastic reduction in illegal border crossing arrests. BUT....a huge increase in the percentage of those arrests are women and children.

Those statistics do not serve the argument thousands of terrorists.

There is a crisis in Central America. It is not bringing drugs and terrorism to the USA it is bringing folks fleeing violence and chaos we can never understand.

For many in the USA, I am sure they don't want a huge influx of these people, even if they would be law abiding, hard working citizens.

Remember when Trump was all about 'fixing' Chicago. He got bored with that and never finished the job. Did he start it?
Health care -- it was too complicated -- bored and moved on with no fix.
Wonder if he will get bored with this?
 
Old 01-12-2019, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Full transcripts of Trump, Pelosi, and Schumer:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...l-text-1088710

https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/n...I7vDLLK5CKOBM/

Trump had 2 years to fund and build the wall. Why is it suddenly an emergency now if it wasnt an emergency last year?
It is obviously not an emergency, it is just Trump trying to get around the Congress/Constitution.
 
Old 01-12-2019, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Florida
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January 2017 -Trump becomes President with a GOP majority in Congress.

January 2017 Wall not an emergency
February 2017 Wall not an emergency
March 2017 Wall not an emergency
April 2017 Wall not an emergency
May 2017 Wall not an emergency
June 2017 Wall not an emergency
July 2017 Wall not an emergency
August 2017 Wall not an emergency
September 2017 Wall not an emergency
October 2017 Wall not an emergency
November 2017 Wall not an emergency
December 2017 Wall not an emergency

January 2018 Wall not an emergency
February 2018 Wall not an emergency
March 2018 Wall not an emergency
April 2018 Wall not an emergency
May 2018 Wall not an emergency
June 2018 Wall not an emergency
July 2018 Wall not an emergency
August 2018 Wall not an emergency
September 2018 Wall not an emergency
October 2018 Wall not an emergency
November 2018 Wall not an emergency
November 2018 Democratic majority elected in House
December 2018 Wall not an emergency

January 2019 Democrats regain control of the House of Representatives :

EMERGENCY!!!


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Old 01-12-2019, 08:30 AM
 
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Over 5 billion dollars would go a long way in funding research and even the cure of cancers, dementias, and other diseases. Infrastructure in our country is crying for help. Why is the dude DEMANDING such a huge sum for a wall? Oh yeah, his base.

I thought an American president and commander in chief was supposed to be for all Americans, not just the chosen base.

To hold people hostages for leverage is just sick. Trump seems to get a real charge out of all the attention.

We can do both so stop deflecting from the issue at hand. Why are the Democrats refusing to fund border security? Oh yeah, they are playing to THEIR base. See how that works?
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