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Old 01-09-2019, 12:14 PM
 
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I think Hillary Clinton was born to lose the Presidency -- twice.

It was written in her stars.
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Old 01-09-2019, 12:34 PM
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Now we have the new revelation that Manafort gave internal polling results from the Trump campaign in 2016 to a Ukrainian associate with ties to Russian intelligence. If it's true and this was indeed a conspiracy to defraud the American people out of an election using foreign influence by an American? Then I think we've reached a new low.

You have to put this in perspective:
Both the Clinton and the Trump teams (or any opponents for that matter) are looking for dirt on the opponent. Don't forget that the infamous Fusion GPS file was paid for by the Clinton Campaign, and certainly originated in Russia. Is anyone blaming the Clintons for being Russian spies? No. The Trump campaign, which was highly disorganized, thought they could get Clinton's "missing" emails. So of course they will try to do whatever they can to get those. Did they KNOW they were dealing with the Russian State? Not sure. Either way, both sides were playing a dirty game, and will remain to do so in the future.


I have no problem with the Mueller investigation itself, but what I do have a problem with is that the Mueller investigation is only investigation the Trump camp, and not the Clinton camp. You can make the argument that Trump won but if this about election in general it shouldn't matter.
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Old 01-09-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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You have to put this in perspective:
Both the Clinton and the Trump teams (or any opponents for that matter) are looking for dirt on the opponent. Don't forget that the infamous Fusion GPS file was paid for by the Clinton Campaign, and certainly originated in Russia. Is anyone blaming the Clintons for being Russian spies? No. The Trump campaign, which was highly disorganized, thought they could get Clinton's "missing" emails. So of course they will try to do whatever they can to get those. Did they KNOW they were dealing with the Russian State? Not sure. Either way, both sides were playing a dirty game, and will remain to do so in the future.


I have no problem with the Mueller investigation itself, but what I do have a problem with is that the Mueller investigation is only investigation the Trump camp, and not the Clinton camp. You can make the argument that Trump won but if this about election in general it shouldn't matter.
and so true....



it's both sides....and they continually pull American's down to their level....for what? Power and money, and to hell with anyone else...they don't care about America....or it wouldn't have gone this far....

They use race against one another...take words out of context....lie about one another and try and dig up any dirt they can...and when your leaders are corrupt, so to will your people be.

A woman in my community just put up a post, asking drivers to stop giving her handicapped wheel chair bound child the finger b/c it takes a while for him to get on the bus....they drive by and call him names....or swerve around the bus....then freakin go the other way you idiots....

these are our children and grand children acting like this and I'm just appauled at how ugly people are to each other...and they all should be ashamed....calling people names....and these people have children?????

No wonder bullying is an epidemic in schools...and our politicians have encouraged this, look at them....look at how they call each other names....and talk about one another...and they say Trump is unprofessional??????? They have no room to talk.

Every event, thought process, words exchanged, effects so many other lives in a negative way or a positive way....

now, when they don't like what you have to say, they call it trolling...well, every event that happens, connects the dots to other events, and we didn't get here for one reason, but many....our politicians today surely do not lead by good example...no one is exempt from being rude and unkind to one another, and for what? You'd think they'd do the right thing so that everyone wins, but no....

I'm not off topic and not having a meltdown, I'm stating facts....and every aspect of our world is changing and changing fast....and I would warn everyone, to start obeying laws....no matter how unfair you think they might be....and start being a little more humane to one another...and turn all that anger into something productive...instead of name calling and allowing the news to dictate what you should believe.
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Old 01-09-2019, 07:00 PM
 
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{{{{{ History Matters }}}}} ( brackets are used for emphasis only)

Wealth and power has never had concern to give up wealthy and power...then the overriding element of "Racism" from the Era of Slavery.... "people were seen as service class", the black unpaid and entrapped in not only forced labor, but denied education and not concept of concern for living standards. The use of brutal means including the whip, the noose and death by any means. Every kind of vile one can imagine was engaged and enacted upon them.
All the while "wealthy that help build a nation was amassed in the hands of a few.
Then there is The Poor Whites, given poor education if any at all, used like pawns to promote ethnicity and race divisiveness, and kept in a class as "service providers", to the cycle of share croppers whom were systematically fleeced via a form of indenture, where they could not rise, nor could they escape the condition nor the labels. they were continually pitted against each other and against blacks...

MLK explained this very clearly in the Speech at Selma... its unfortunate that many poor whites not only refused to read or hear it, and chose not to attend themselves to learn and see the truths it spoke.



The age old system of "DIVIDE AND CONQUER" has been at play since the wealthy 'hijacked the Constitution" and declared that "only" white men was considered as Person. Women were non person, only "heir producers for white men", and slaves were for the system of labor, and poor whites were structured into networks of mill workers and technicians. Paid the equivalent of what it cost to house and feed a slave, which was assured to be no more than what is substandard and incapable to provide any quality standard of living of any level of comparison to the wealthy.

The system of white nationalism, was the construct of white men, to keep power in the hands of white men, specifically, "the wealthy white men". The poor white man, was fed the illusion, by giving him someone to look down upon and lay blame upon, as long as it was "NOT" laid upon and against the wealthy white men.

White Nationalism, was as well a "Gender Bias Construct", as women were "non person", had no right to vote, and her life was based upon pursuing and gaining "validation and support" from white men, as long as she remained subservient and did not demonstrate any will or motivation to declare individual Person-hood. She could not by her own construct pursue and own property, she was for centuries not allowed to independently work except by allotment to do so, if it served the "white male dominance" as a form of servitude at the lowest of compensation, that would never allow her to have economic independence.

These constructs of social containment has been long a part since the days when such social abuse was the means to usurp not only the Declarations of Independence's principle of "individual", it was then declared that the Constitution would only give such "rights of individual person", to white men.

During the 1960's.... the system of segregation detested the thought of any resources from government taxation, be used for anything that would assist and uplift women and minorities, and it was rationed to poor whites at a below poverty level, so they could never rise above such a status. The design was never to meet nor address the "standard of living" as was promoted as the American Living Standard for the well to do white society.
President Johnson's, War on Poverty sought to break these shackles, as did the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Immigration Act of 1965. President Johnson, created "medicare" to provide health care to poor and aged American, he placed the first black man on the Supreme Court to give Justice the representative of people of color, and he passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to remove the impediments for people of color.

Along came Nixon, and Later Reagan, who set out to impede, construct and roll back any measures that would allow these Act's and programs to achieve their designed objectives. in 1968-1968 President Nixon presided over the party flip gaming, to bring the adoption of the Jim Crow Ideals into the Republican System and spread it among the Republican Ranks... with aim, intent and objective to confuse the electorate, while it enacted aims to promote the continuance of "white nationalist" agenda, which means, "white male" dominance. The Economic Construct, was to "remove the means for upward economic life" from accessibility by the Poor Whites, Women and Minorities, thus with aim to sustain and promote "white nationalism, as in "white male dominance'... thus we got the system of "union busting" followed by "outsourcing".

When Democrats took of the system of "human rights and human equability"... after the Dixiecrats has moved into backing the Republican Party, of whom the leaders of the Dixiecrats has become a part of within the Republican system. Then the Republican party moved away from its once support of Civil Rights, and became Anti-Civil Rights and sought to curtail, roll back and stagnate any and every aspect of Civil Rights by any construct it could. Which became a collusive gaming of creating obstructionist agenda, to ensure programs, policy's and agenda items would not move forward to create Civil, Social, Economic or Political "equilibrium" for Poor Whites, Women or Minorities.

Each time the Democrats move forward to improve.. the conditions, and advance the programs, and push for Civic, Social, Political and Economic uplift for Poor Whites, Women and Minorities, it was thwarted by attack and opposition by the Republican, who used every aspect and construct of promoting racist divisiveness as a means and manner to drum up a fighting force against it. {{{{{ History Matters }}}}} (brackets are used for emphasis only)

(To be Continued)
CONTINUED:

Today what we see is the rise and promotion of the exact same Ideals that were core within the variables that made up The Confederacy Aggression's upon and against the Union. They RESENTED Regulations and Governance, EXCEPT what benefit and back the wealthy. They had no concern for anything of programming that concerned itself with the people, beyond 'the constructions of "contain", "regulate", "dominate" and "dictate over",

We see today the exact same agenda, but it is being played out by the tactical methodology employed by Hitler, and Other Authoritarian Dictators. It is being done, because for one, "people won't and don't read, and the base who back this madness, not only will not read, they have no interest to learn from history. Drama suffices for them. It's easily representative in this site, as one can see how they flock to any posting, where they can "spin drama" and "posse mad antics", but they avoid any posting that actually discuss and reference and relate matters relative to history. Such types are easily led, as was the case with the followers of Hitler, and every other Tyrant Dictator history has known.

As to the title of the posting.... a variable people ignore, is the means and methods of divide and conquer which was employed as well by Republican and Russian acts... which played upon the illusions of Sander, when it was already known that the Democratic Delegates had long pledged their support for Hillary, which should have been a message to Sanders, but with the acts by both Russian and Republicans played on the ego of Sanders, when he was a "rider on the Democratic Ticket"... not a sanctioned member of the Democratic Party, and when the Convention was set, Sander fell into the trap and had no concept of thought to bring his voters to support the nominee of the party, he hitched a ride upon.
Sanders still has not figured it nor has he taken any responsibility for the calamity he created, but being unaware to acknowledge what was at play. His primary achievement was to get young people involved in Politics and to aroused those who had become callous and disconnected, but in doing so... the responsibility of Sanders was to bring those constituents to support the Democratic Party's Nominee, which was not Him....

He came to the Convention with the "sour face"... and then took pride in his constituency refraining from voting because he did not get the nomination. He is yet to figure out how he was played by the Russian and the Republicans...

The gamesmanship of political collusion was widely saturated, by the work of Republican and Russians to sow discord upon the Democratic Party and they saw a grand opportunity, with an Independent hitching a ride on the Ticker... it was prime ground for sowing contention, by covert gaming... and Sanders fell for the whole things and "SPLIT THE DEMOCRATIC VOTE"... He never considered to give attention to the fact, that 2 yrs before the election...

Republican set out to smear Hillary with the Benghazi mess, and Sanders never once stopped to see the game for what it was, even after the facts came back and showed it was the Republican Responsibility to provide funding for security. They cared only to control the narrative of "smear"... and Sanders followers became influenced by the spin and drama promoted of negativity about the Democratic Nominee. Then when it came to something as insidious as the Email spin, he never once stopped to realize how that tied in as a follow up to the smear that had already been set in motion.

People don't want to look at the "why's" of how Republican and Russian Colluded... they played "divide and conquer" in every level and aspect they could pursue to engage. All the pundits spinning in the drama circle as if they can't put the puzzle pieces together, and not acknowledging the lack of looking at the big picture.
The game of distraction, misdirection and and manufactured drama sequences on a daily bais, was spun through the whole of the election process.

People fell "ignorant", they allowed themselves to be played on social media, and the many different social platform... rather than look at the "facts", review the history and know what the issues are. They simply got caught up in the 'spin of drama' that was influenced by both Republican and Russian working in concert to assure the smear would transcend into "a negative summary" about the Democratic Nominee (Hillary)...

Only after the fact... are people finding out how the Russian organizations infiltrated and influenced "the gullible and susceptible minds"... via Facebook and all the popular social media platforms... they knew the game well, of sowing doubt. They are still doing it, and people are still with "gullible and susceptible minds". Many are in shell shock, choosiness not to believe the truths they see and now know.

People are a strange being... they would rather not know the truth, than to face up to the fact they got played by the Republican and Russian in a colluded game to sway an election, by first sawing the minds of people, with doubt, dissension and discord. They were successful enough to pit the Democrats and the Independent against one another among the Democratic leaning Independents.

The Republican and Russian shared information on how to go where the Democrats and the Democratically Leaning Independents were in a collective of localities, and they targeted them, both in advertising and constructed counter advertising, as well as in the mind bending games of social media drama spins. The constructive counter advertising, was how it influenced the division when it came to Sanders and Hillary, because Republican knew more than 2 yrs out that "Hillary" had the Democratic Delegates to Clinch the Democratic Nomination.

So... it was easy for them to pump up the rhetoric and control the narrative of how it intensified the pitting of Sanders Against Hillary... full well knowing that Sanders would ignore the fact that he was "a hitchhiker' on a Party Platform, a platform who had already make known who the Democratic Delegates would Support.

The young people Sanders gathered and the extreme programming of Sander's platform was too far left and it was known by Republican and Russians, that it was prime to create a high volume of "non voters" by promoting the rally around Sanders... and push the contempt of his constituency against the Democratic Party and its Nominee, even when knowing the "delegated had already confirmed their choice" long before the Convention.

We have still the infusion of Russian spin, driving much in the ways it influence the base of the Republicans to accept and ignore the malice of the President. That base will never figured out how they are played, but they are played to keep the drama spins high and highly saturated. To ensure they get lost in the distractions until they are led like sheep to stand against themselves in continuance of supporting the President, and daily they are driven into a posse like mob of cultist devotees... Because they are continually fed.... the fictions and drama to incite and agitate them with drama, until they devote themselves to void out their own concern for morality and decency. As many say, The Party of Republican is "unrecognizable' !!! The agenda continue in the path to deliver everything the

Russians could not gain by any other means.
including damage to N.A.T.O... the U.N. and American Allies... and now "turning over the Middle East to Russian led dominance. Trump wants what Putin has, is Dictatorial Control Over American Government, and Control of all aspects of Wealth dominance to the wealthy... This sums up to be the same type of Governance Structure that was the Foundation of Confederacy Governance.

The Republican System and their base constituency are oblivious to the facts, they are blind to even basic things, such as there has been no traction of movement to improve education, there has been no move to create massive "retraining programs for jobs', there has been no movement on Infrastructure or anything else. The daily spins blind them to the fact the "courts" are being stacked with the Right Wing Ideological types. They see the struggle of the "white nationalist" trying to recreate the white nationalism of the Confederacy system.

Quote:
The Quotation
Niemöller is perhaps best remembered for the quotation:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Today, it's the Mexicans, but first it was "the Media", then "the Muslims, then the Muslim Nations.... then "The Democrats", then Government Departments, included is the Government Workers, and etc.... the cycles continues to spin.... then what comes in the procession may well include to negate the principles of the Declaration of Independence's stand against Tyranny, and proceed in continuance in pursuit to attack and suspend The Constitution. To re-write what is America... in the Ideals aspired to within Confederacy Ideology, and emulate the makeup of Russian System and Organizational Structure.


People are gullible to think "Belligerence is power"
, and in such willful ignorance they blind themselves to the erosion of Principles.

AN INTERESTING SUBJECT - of what types of minds are easily misled and controlled by vain manipulation and Belligerent Bully Stomping.

It's easy then to see what the OP title has posed of inquiry, to be true: " Was the Presidency really stolen from Hillary by Trump and the Russians and that something else IS "the promotion of Confederacy's Ideological Agenda and its pursuit of white nationalism's aims of re-creation of itself.

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Old 01-09-2019, 07:40 PM
 
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Most do not believe the election was stolen from Hillary. And someone should tell that meathead Rush that this is not about trying to overturn the results, it was never about that.

We just believe the attempts of a hostile foreign government to influence the results of our election, with the possible knowledge of this by one of the campaigns, is pretty freaking serious and should be investigated completely. For as long as it takes. And it's kind of disgusting that every American does not feel this way.
Russia will support any Republican. Republicans have shown themselve to be friendly to overtures from Putin.
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Old 01-09-2019, 07:59 PM
 
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I would like for everyone, to put their loathing aside for each party and president, and focus on being detached so we can look at this in a non biased clarity.

Lets for a moment, place parties aside...and focus on what is really going on here in our government, now for years....

Why is it you believe the Presidency had been stolen from Hillary by Trump and the Russians and how could it have been done? What makes you believe this is true?

The republicans were convinced the same thing happened with Obama's 2nd term? At that time, for 8 years, I had believed it was true...but now that the same claims are being made about Russia and Trump, for me, I gotta wonder what in the world is going on here?

Think about all the time and money that is being wasted.

This accusation has been made by the dems now for over two years and still no evidence...? Same as what happened with Bush and Obama....

If you don't believe this, then why, what do you know about the situation, that is convincing?

Why would they invent such ridiculous smoke screens?

To keep from addressing our Nations problems...its like a stale mate in hopes that when they gain the majority power again, they will turn it all around...again....and again, and it's been going on for years?

We don't seem to be making any progress...do we?

Here's an example....

Lets review the promises Trump made...what promises has he not accomplished....? I'll list a few, but I'm wondering if this all ties in together? If they are stalling to deliberately ignore our 1. economy, and getting us out of debt? 2. Fixing Health Care 3. Trump promised to fix immigration...well, lets review...the focus in now on the wall, which of course wouldn't be 100% full proof, but effective in reducing the amount of illegals coming into this country. But enforcing and controlling illegal immigration would require a whole lot more...so it all comes together and is 75% to 90% full proof.

1. You'd have to hire a lot of border police
2. You'd have to review all our laws already on the books about illegal immigration and revise as needed.
3. You would have to impose fines to everyone in the U.S. who would hire these illegals.
4. I believe they know where the illegals are working but allow it to continue? Why? Are there way too many illegals in this country in political positions?
5. you'd have to deport them, wouldn't you, but instead, they are holding them in our prisons.

and there is so much more that would have to be done...which they are not doing?

Now I just covered one issue, that both the dems and repubs, have both promised would be fixed at one time or another, I've seen Obama make statements on videos of the speeches he delivered...but they continue to invent these Election problems, and literally divide this country, by proposing that now, the Russians have had a hand in this election? Why? If that were true, Trump would by now be on trial, and the same went for Obama, and Bush? They wanted Obama impeached and kept screaming the same things they are now screaming about Trump, and did the same with Bush...??????? What the heck is going on here?

Then there is our Economy and getting us out of debt which they have all promised but so far it's not been accomplished?

There are the problems with healthcare for our ex-military men and women, who were wounded and need dire help? And yet, the President wanted to have a parade for them instead of giving them better health care and benefits. And these are just a few of the promises that were made, but haven't been addressed yet?

And lastly, how bout Term Limits?

Does anyone else wonder about these issues, and why this is constantly being done? All the candidates for President make these promises...and when they are elected into office, they throw us bones, by signing a lot of rules and undoing what the past President has done...but then it ends there? Doesn't it?

It seems to me, that they purposely continue to divide the country, to avoid addressing these problems we have...and act worse than 3rd graders...calling each other names....etc.

This all just doesn't make sense? If your leading the country you want to improve it...common sense would dictate that we as Americans should be much further along intellectually, much more advanced, and yes, we've made some sensational progress, but very very slowly and it seems to me, grown adults would realize, the significance, in just going forward and working together, understanding that you can't always win?

I believe this is all being done on purpose. You've got American's trying to raise money on a Go Fund Me Page but the Government says, we can't do that?

What in the world is going on here?

Can anyone explain this to me....it's just not common sense politics?

Do you understand where I'm going with this, and why I've pointed out these examples?

I seriously don't understand, what has been going on here for all these years?

Obama promised we'd be debt free, he had a plan, but he tripled our Debt?

Bush did the same and so did Trump? Do you see where I'm going with this?

Why aren't we all asking these questions?
Nothing was stolen. To paraphrase liberals, it was a manufactured event to justify their chosen one wasn’t selected to be president. They can’t wrap their narrow minds around that so in their twisted logic, some external force had to be blamed.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:02 PM
 
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Nothing was stolen. To paraphrase liberals, it was a manufactured event to justify their chosen one wasn’t selected to be president. They can’t wrap their narrow minds around that so in their twisted logic, some external force had to be blamed.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:12 PM
 
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You seem upset that I took a wordy, meaningless post and boiled it down to a small paragraph.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:21 PM
 
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CONTINUED:

Today what we see is the rise and promotion of the exact same Ideals that were core within the variables that made up The Confederacy Aggression's upon and against the Union. They RESENTED Regulations and Governance, EXCEPT what benefit and back the wealthy. They had no concern for anything of programming that concerned itself with the people, beyond 'the constructions of "contain", "regulate", "dominate" and "dictate over",

We see today the exact same agenda, but it is being played out by the tactical methodology employed by Hitler, and Other Authoritarian Dictators. It is being done, because for one, "people won't and don't read, and the base who back this madness, not only will not read, they have no interest to learn from history. Drama suffices for them. It's easily representative in this site, as one can see how they flock to any posting, where they can "spin drama" and "posse mad antics", but they avoid any posting that actually discuss and reference and relate matters relative to history. Such types are easily led, as was the case with the followers of Hitler, and every other Tyrant Dictator history has known.

As to the title of the posting.... a variable people ignore, is the means and methods of divide and conquer which was employed as well by Republican and Russian acts... which played upon the illusions of Sander, when it was already known that the Democratic Delegates had long pledged their support for Hillary, which should have been a message to Sanders, but with the acts by both Russian and Republicans played on the ego of Sanders, when he was a "rider on the Democratic Ticket"... not a sanctioned member of the Democratic Party, and when the Convention was set, Sander fell into the trap and had no concept of thought to bring his voters to support the nominee of the party, he hitched a ride upon.
Sanders still has not figured it nor has he taken any responsibility for the calamity he created, but being unaware to acknowledge what was at play. His primary achievement was to get young people involved in Politics and to aroused those who had become callous and disconnected, but in doing so... the responsibility of Sanders was to bring those constituents to support the Democratic Party's Nominee, which was not Him....

He came to the Convention with the "sour face"... and then took pride in his constituency refraining from voting because he did not get the nomination. He is yet to figure out how he was played by the Russian and the Republicans...

The gamesmanship of political collusion was widely saturated, by the work of Republican and Russians to sow discord upon the Democratic Party and they saw a grand opportunity, with an Independent hitching a ride on the Ticker... it was prime ground for sowing contention, by covert gaming... and Sanders fell for the whole things and "SPLIT THE DEMOCRATIC VOTE"... He never considered to give attention to the fact, that 2 yrs before the election...

Republican set out to smear Hillary with the Benghazi mess, and Sanders never once stopped to see the game for what it was, even after the facts came back and showed it was the Republican Responsibility to provide funding for security. They cared only to control the narrative of "smear"... and Sanders followers became influenced by the spin and drama promoted of negativity about the Democratic Nominee. Then when it came to something as insidious as the Email spin, he never once stopped to realize how that tied in as a follow up to the smear that had already been set in motion.

People don't want to look at the "why's" of how Republican and Russian Colluded... they played "divide and conquer" in every level and aspect they could pursue to engage. All the pundits spinning in the drama circle as if they can't put the puzzle pieces together, and not acknowledging the lack of looking at the big picture.
The game of distraction, misdirection and and manufactured drama sequences on a daily bais, was spun through the whole of the election process.

People fell "ignorant", they allowed themselves to be played on social media, and the many different social platform... rather than look at the "facts", review the history and know what the issues are. They simply got caught up in the 'spin of drama' that was influenced by both Republican and Russian working in concert to assure the smear would transcend into "a negative summary" about the Democratic Nominee (Hillary)...

Only after the fact... are people finding out how the Russian organizations infiltrated and influenced "the gullible and susceptible minds"... via Facebook and all the popular social media platforms... they knew the game well, of sowing doubt. They are still doing it, and people are still with "gullible and susceptible minds". Many are in shell shock, choosiness not to believe the truths they see and now know.

People are a strange being... they would rather not know the truth, than to face up to the fact they got played by the Republican and Russian in a colluded game to sway an election, by first sawing the minds of people, with doubt, dissension and discord. They were successful enough to pit the Democrats and the Independent against one another among the Democratic leaning Independents.

The Republican and Russian shared information on how to go where the Democrats and the Democratically Leaning Independents were in a collective of localities, and they targeted them, both in advertising and constructed counter advertising, as well as in the mind bending games of social media drama spins. The constructive counter advertising, was how it influenced the division when it came to Sanders and Hillary, because Republican knew more than 2 yrs out that "Hillary" had the Democratic Delegates to Clinch the Democratic Nomination.

So... it was easy for them to pump up the rhetoric and control the narrative of how it intensified the pitting of Sanders Against Hillary... full well knowing that Sanders would ignore the fact that he was "a hitchhiker' on a Party Platform, a platform who had already make known who the Democratic Delegates would Support.

The young people Sanders gathered and the extreme programming of Sander's platform was too far left and it was known by Republican and Russians, that it was prime to create a high volume of "non voters" by promoting the rally around Sanders... and push the contempt of his constituency against the Democratic Party and its Nominee, even when knowing the "delegated had already confirmed their choice" long before the Convention.

We have still the infusion of Russian spin, driving much in the ways it influence the base of the Republicans to accept and ignore the malice of the President. That base will never figured out how they are played, but they are played to keep the drama spins high and highly saturated. To ensure they get lost in the distractions until they are led like sheep to stand against themselves in continuance of supporting the President, and daily they are driven into a posse like mob of cultist devotees... Because they are continually fed.... the fictions and drama to incite and agitate them with drama, until they devote themselves to void out their own concern for morality and decency. As many say, The Party of Republican is "unrecognizable' !!! The agenda continue in the path to deliver everything the

Russians could not gain by any other means.
including damage to N.A.T.O... the U.N. and American Allies... and now "turning over the Middle East to Russian led dominance. Trump wants what Putin has, is Dictatorial Control Over American Government, and Control of all aspects of Wealth dominance to the wealthy... This sums up to be the same type of Governance Structure that was the Foundation of Confederacy Governance.

The Republican System and their base constituency are oblivious to the facts, they are blind to even basic things, such as there has been no traction of movement to improve education, there has been no move to create massive "retraining programs for jobs', there has been no movement on Infrastructure or anything else. The daily spins blind them to the fact the "courts" are being stacked with the Right Wing Ideological types. They see the struggle of the "white nationalist" trying to recreate the white nationalism of the Confederacy system.



Today, it's the Mexicans, but first it was "the Media", then "the Muslims, then the Muslim Nations.... then "The Democrats", then Government Departments, included is the Government Workers, and etc.... the cycles continues to spin.... then what comes in the procession may well include to negate the principles of the Declaration of Independence's stand against Tyranny, and proceed in continuance in pursuit to attack and suspend The Constitution. To re-write what is America... in the Ideals aspired to within Confederacy Ideology, and emulate the makeup of Russian System and Organizational Structure.


People are gullible to think "Belligerence is power"
, and in such willful ignorance they blind themselves to the erosion of Principles.

AN INTERESTING SUBJECT - of what types of minds are easily misled and controlled by vain manipulation and Belligerent Bully Stomping.

It's easy then to see what the OP title has posed of inquiry, to be true: " Was the Presidency really stolen from Hillary by Trump and the Russians and that something else IS "the promotion of Confederacy's Ideological Agenda and its pursuit of white nationalism's aims of re-creation of itself.
Good grief, that's some hyperbolic hysteria worthy of Buzzfeed!
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well, I'm sorry you feel that way and wish you didn't feel that way b/c all dems are not alike...neither are repubs....but oh well....
Democrats always put Trump supporters or Republicans in a box (racist, deplorable's, etc..)? They did it when Obama was president and they are doing it now.

Don't dare disagree with a Democrat or the name calling starts pfft!
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