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Old 01-13-2019, 12:50 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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doubt these government workers had any sympathy for the steelworkers and coal miners whose jobs they destroyed

Trump supporter logic...

why is air traffic control even a federal job?

Because we want the ATC to actually work in support of the industry/country not a for profit entity in a natural monopoly function.
So you think if controllers worked for the airport authority they would be less motivated to keep planes from crashing or that the local airport would be less demanding of their job competence????? Each airport authority can hire their own ATC staff.

And one can't say that TSA is mistake prone. Our skies were safe with private contractors before 9-11 too. They've done so many test runs where people can still sneak guns and even bombs onto planes not to mention drugs. So its not clear that TSA makes us safer either.

In my local area ambulance services are privatized and still runs pretty well. Also don't see an issue with private prisons either since that's been in the news too with the federal prison system. I DO wonder about the Dept of Justice being closed and whether criminal prosecutions are still going on and if there's going to be a backlog of cases.
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Old 01-13-2019, 12:58 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Do you know how many military families get assistance? Some just need to shut up and sit down!
Low rank? Probably quite a few. Enlistees only have to have a high school diploma.
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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IQ is correlated to education level, (True but those who identify as Democrats have attained a higher level of education) which is in turn correlated to income. However gender and environmental factors also have be correlated when considering income as well

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4445388/ Curious if you read the abstract of your link in regards to g

Those who earn higher incomes aren't on public assistance. True.
Your initial assumption that Republicans are smarter than Democrats is muddled if you maintain that a greater number of Democrats are using public assistance. Your reasoning of IQ, income and party affiliation, does not add up.
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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So you think if controllers worked for the airport authority they would be less motivated to keep planes from crashing or that the local airport would be less demanding of their job competence????? Each airport authority can hire their own ATC staff.

And one can't say that TSA is mistake prone. Our skies were safe with private contractors before 9-11 too. They've done so many test runs where people can still sneak guns and even bombs onto planes not to mention drugs. So its not clear that TSA makes us safer either.

In my local area ambulance services are privatized and still runs pretty well. Also don't see an issue with private prisons either since that's been in the news too with the federal prison system. I DO wonder about the Dept of Justice being closed and whether criminal prosecutions are still going on and if there's going to be a backlog of cases.
You didn't explain how ATC caused steel workers to lose their jobs.
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Old 01-13-2019, 03:16 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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You didn't explain how ATC caused steel workers to lose their jobs.
I'm saying the federal government in general is partly responsible for the decline of the US Steel industry through unfair trade agreements that gave other nations including Japan and Europe an unfair advantage over the United States. And the Obama EPA was responsible for the war on coal that devastated the economies of West Virginia, Kentucky and many other states.

Federal employees all work for the same entity that was responsible for this.
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:04 PM
 
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It is abundantly clear at this point that Washington legislators do not respect Fed workers. Conservatives not respecting them we already know of. But the political machine in DC - either side of the aisle - is clearly happy to routinely use Fed employees' livelihoods as bargaining chips as they spar over their agendas.

If I were these guys, I'd be walking out and organizing a strike. I know, it sounds like a wet dream for a conservative. No government! Take it down to zero employees! Well, let's test that. Let's have a true government shutdown, if that's what we want. Right now, we shut down the part about their paychecks but still expect them to provide the service.

No air traffic control. No airport security. Take it down to zero. Watch air travel grind to a halt.

Coast guard, FDA food inspections, drug approvals, homeland security...same thing. Bring it all to a halt.

Do that a few times when politicians get frisky and maybe the *******s in Washington will get the message that screwing around with people's livelihoods who are actually doing an important service to our society is not acceptable.

Politicians can spar over walls and whatever the hell else, but they shouldn't be able to hold peoples' ability to pay for their kid's school and for the roof over their head as hostage for leverage.
You may want to read up on the PATCO strike - the strike that killed the labor unions as a political and social force.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/.../...ed-unions.html
https://www.npr.org/2006/08/03/.../1...erican-workers
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Low rank? Probably quite a few. Enlistees only have to have a high school diploma.
I don’t care if they can’t add 2+2. They serve this country and put their lives in the line and have more respect from me than some Wall Street tycoon. My hubby was one such person . People are people -all to be respected unless show reason why individually you would have a reason not to. One day those looking down on folks eat crow when beg the nice simple lady to help them with their bed pan. Tic toc. It will happen,
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Low rank? Probably quite a few. Enlistees only have to have a high school diploma.
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I'm saying the federal government in general is partly responsible for the decline of the US Steel industry through unfair trade agreements that gave other nations including Japan and Europe an unfair advantage over the United States. And the Obama EPA was responsible for the war on coal that devastated the economies of West Virginia, Kentucky and many other states.

Federal employees all work for the same entity that was responsible for this.
Ok so all govt employees need to be punished now?
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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It is abundantly clear at this point that Washington legislators do not respect Fed workers.
They never did. This is why voting is largely worthless, unless you're not dependent on the government for a paycheck with a government shutdown affecting you. They had to pass emergency funds for food stamps and section 8 housing folks to survive, as it has yet to be funded past February.

This is going to drag out for a very long time. This is Trump's Alamo and Democrats are going to lose.
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:19 PM
 
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I'm saying the federal government in general is partly responsible for the decline of the US Steel industry through unfair trade agreements that gave other nations including Japan and Europe an unfair advantage over the United States. And the Obama EPA was responsible for the war on coal that devastated the economies of West Virginia, Kentucky and many other states.

Federal employees all work for the same entity that was responsible for this.
No, politicians are and you are blaming everyone that has a job with the government. That is beyond lame.
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