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View Poll Results: Should the carbine be banned?
yes. 1 4.35%
yes, but only if it meets assault-weapon specifications. 0 0%
no, don't ban it at all. 22 95.65%
other (please explain below). 0 0%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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Old Today, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Originally Posted by scarabchuck View Post
Travis....wow...you just don't get it do you. You have absolutely zero knowledge of firearms and really should not be debating them.


Carbine refers to the length of the barrel, generally less than 20"


The M1 carbine you are referring to, is the M1 Garand, a magazine fed semi auto rifle , just like all the others that are available to the average citizen that can legally purchase them. If you feel that they are assault rifles because these were actually used by the military, unlike all the others you've talked about...that is on you, your wrong but it is your choice to be.


There were several different versions, one of them being a carbine , all semi auto by the way.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand#Design_details




The M1 Garand[SIZE=2][nb 1][/SIZE] is a .30 caliber semi-automatic rifle that was the standard U.S. service rifle during World War II and the Korean War and also saw limited service during the Vietnam War. Most M1 rifles were issued to U.S. forces, though many hundreds of thousands were also provided as foreign aid to American allies. The Garand is still used by drill teams and military honor guards. It is also widely used by civilians for hunting, target shooting, and as a military collectible.
The M1 Carbine and the M1 Garand are two entirely different rifles. The Garand was .30-06 and loaded with stripper clips (watch your finger!). The M1 Carbine was a short .30 caliber round utilizing 15 and 30 shot magazines.
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Old Today, 06:26 PM
 
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.................... so was the Springfield rifled musket and the trap door Springfield that followed- both "military weapons". Should they be banned?


Let's face it- you just don't like guns. That is fine, but I wonder why you think you have the right to tell other people what they can and cannot buy. How do you feel about pot? Alcohol? Fast cars?


Liberals, at heart, are authoritarians who presume the right to control other people's lives. They are the antithesis of "liberalism" and are more akin to totalitarians. Note that not only do they want to ban physical items, but also speech that disagrees with them.


Stalin would be proud.
You said it!

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The debate over gun control can be summed up thusly: Those of us who don't like guns in the hands of our non-costumed brethren, will vote to ensure men with guns, under the guise of the "law," will come and take the property that is rightfully yours, killing you should you resist our will sufficiently.

This is what we call "violence by-proxy" and makes the voter for violence no less culpable in the extortion and death that will ensue.

As Stefan Molyneux correctly observed; if a person claims they are non-violent and are for “gun control” they are not truly anti-gun nor are they non-violent people - because the reality is that guns and violence will be needed to disarm innocent law abiding people.

This is because those people who claim they are anti-gun and anti-violence, who claim to support “gun control,” will need the credible threat of police violence and the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns should they resist the attempt to further centralize their monopoly on violence.

So those who claim to be anti-gun and anti-violence are really very pro-gun and very pro-violence. They ultimately believe that only government officials (which are of course portrayed as reliable, honest, moral, and virtuous) should be allowed to have guns. This obviously flies in the face of reality as the 20th century has proven once and for all.

It’s important to note that those who advocate this type of centralized monopoly of violence do so as cowards, because it’s not their lives 
on the line, rather they advocate others using violence on their behalf in
order to force their misguided views on innocent people who wish to do nothing other than protect themselves and other innocents.

There is no such thing as "gun control," there is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political class and the forces they control which, as recent history has proven is a murderous nightmare for the peace loving, disenfranchised, and disarmed citizenry.--Ron Danielowski
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Old Today, 06:31 PM
 
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The M1 Carbine and the M1 Garand are two entirely different rifles. The Garand was .30-06 and loaded with stripper clips (watch your finger!). The M1 Carbine was a short .30 caliber round utilizing 15 and 30 shot magazines.
Thank you, i've already been corrected...
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Old Today, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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The M1 Carbine and the M1 Garand are two entirely different rifles. The Garand was .30-06 and loaded with stripper clips (watch your finger!). The M1 Carbine was a short .30 caliber round utilizing 15 and 30 shot magazines.

Just as point of clarification. I don't think the enbloc clip really is considered a stripper clip.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAiu9bt3lWo

for comparision loading a mauser with a stripper clip...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrawsZFvlGQ
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Old Today, 06:31 PM
 
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If you are trying to represent progressivism, you are doing others who call themselves progressives a great disservice.
Actually he's doing us a great big favor, by letting us know what their true intentions are. They can no longer hide behind the phrase: "Nobody's looking to take away anyone's guns, that's just right wing BS".
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Old Today, 06:33 PM
 
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M1 Carbine, smaller caliber and mag fed, semi auto


M1 Garand, stripper clip, larger caliber , semi auto


Is this not correct ?
They're also alike in that both go "bang". Seriously, very different firearms.
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Old Today, 06:36 PM
 
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Can not this person be banned? The threads he starts are more often then not a fishing campaign. HE/She refuses to become educated or even take 1 second to research the correct spelling for an item in discussion.
Can we not collectively push for the removal of a poster? OR perhaps we can collectively put them on ignore and stop their trolling schemes before they start?
Not me, I'm glad he posts. I want everyone to fully realize what Liberals are all about.
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Old Today, 06:36 PM
 
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In a recent thread a poster who's an expert on guns pointed out that the AR-15 actually replaced a weapon called the 'M1 Carbine.'
http://www.city-data.com/forum/54067203-post16.html
Although I have heard the term 'carbine' before, I was not fully familiar with it, so I looked it up. It turns out that it is defined as a "light automatic rifle,' in other words, an assault style weapon. Yet as far as I can find out, it has never been banned, anywhere. It was not banned by the 1994 assault weapon ban signed by President Clinton.

I do know that the 'carbine' was mentioned in the theme song of the classic movie Bonnie and Clyde starring Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway. Bonnie and Clyde were depression era gangsters who loved guns. A line of the song says "a half a dozen carbines opened up on them," (when they were apprehended and killed by police). Obviously the carbine is an incredibly powerful weapon that belongs in police hands only. Why is it still legal?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaVOeKLLm_c
First of all, there is no such thing as an Assault Weapon - does not exist. There are assault rifles which are select-fire (semi or full auto) light rifles. AR-15s are semi-automatic as is the M1 carbine, although there was an M2 carbine that could be fired full auto.

Carbines are the EXACT OPPOSITE of "an incredibly powerful weapon". They fire light, low velocity bullets with very little energy. The M1 Garand of WWII fame was many times more powerfull pushing a heavier bullet to much higher velocities.

It is legal, because the Constitution says it should/must be legal.

The reall question is why is it still legal for YOU to exercise your 1st Amendment privileges that should have been banned years ago?
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Old Today, 06:38 PM
 
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The Garand was .30-06 and loaded with stripper clips (watch your finger!).
The Garand thumb. Such a useful lesson for 18-19 year olds who think they know everything and don't need to listen to boring lectures.
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Old Today, 06:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Originally Posted by scarabchuck View Post
M1 Carbine, smaller caliber and mag fed, semi auto


M1 Garand, stripper clip, larger caliber , semi auto


Is this not correct ?

Well almost. The stripper clip was used in the M 1903. This was the rifle used prior to the Garand. A thin metal strip indendented on the edges to hold rounds in place. Using your thumb the rounds were pushed into place in the firing chamber. The Garand used an internal magazine pushed into the firing chamber and automatically ejected when the last round was fired.
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