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With people of Islamic faith running for and winning state and loca elections across the US, could we ever see anyone with a hidden agenda to try and introduce Sharia Law to the United States? I'm sure I could find this out through hours of researching, but I'm wondering if any more knowledgeable members of CD know for sure what the skinny is on this subject. It concerns me, especially with the case of those Michigan doctors practicing female mutilation for years, ten years wasn't it? Whatever happened to them anyway. That case was abhorrent.
There is no place whatsoever in America for Sharia law.
I think it has to be pretty rare for anyone here to be out to death for speaking out against Islam.
Your claim there are many women who support Sharia. How would you know, if they dare speak out against it they can be put to death. He could divorce her by saying I divorce you 3 times in front of 2 other males and then lose her children. If the husband believes she did something wrong, he could beat her.
Use your brain pknopp.
Yet Democrat speak against Christianity and defend this?
Your claim there are many women who support Sharia. How would you know, if they dare speak out against it they can be put to death. He could divorce her by saying I divorce you 3 times in front of 2 other males and then lose her children. If the husband believes she did something wrong, he could beat her.
Use your brain pknopp.
Yet Democrat speak against Christianity and defend this?
I don't think anyone is defending it. It's just that it isn't going to happen here. If a vast majority religion (Christianity) hasn't yet made it illegal for women to speak in public, legal for men to be able to beat their wives, illegal for couples to engage in non-marital sex, legal for parents to be able to beat their children, legal for someone to pluck out someone else's eye because they were looking at pornography, and all the rest of the Christian laws that are in the Bible, there's no way that a tiny majority religion will be able to make it happen.
Oh, wait, those "laws" aren't actually practiced by most Christians in America? It's almost as though people don't blindly follow whatever archaic rules their religious texts have in black and white. Wow, I wonder if Muslims are the same? Do you know any Muslims? I'm guessing not...
And if the evangelical wing of the Republican party had its way, the United States would be a Christian-only nation with Old Testament-like punishments for sinners ... such as Jews, Muslims, atheists, and women.
Keep an eye on Europe, particularly France, Germany, and the UK.
They will be our litmus test.
Sharia have no legal standing and is simply mediation services in relation to Civil matters, whilst Sharia Councils are not a Courts and have no legal powers whatsoever.
Official National Family Courts enforce the law on such civil and family desputes in the UK and their decisions are backed up by the Police, Child Protection and Social Services.
Sharia Councils and Beth Din (Jewish) can operate in moist countries, indeed it's just a bunch of community elders trying to settle disputes, however do not confuse these with a countries legal system or judicial precedent as set out by a Secular Court System.
Sharia is at best a mediation services and operates in every Muslim Community including those in the US. They have no bearing on national laws, criminal laws or human rights.
It also should be noted that anyone can seek mediation in relation to such matters through organisations such as Relate or through mediation services offered by numerous organisations or indeed through solicitors who offer mediation services.
Mediation is simply the act of discusing matters and trying to find a workable solution, the law and courts are a seperate issue, and all Sharia Councils offer is mediation, they are not Courts of Law and have no enforceable powers.
In terms of any undue pressure put on women they can contact the police, social services and numerous other support organisations and everyone can seek redress under Human Rights legislation enshrined in British Law and can contact bodies such as the Equalities and Human Rights Commission who uphold the European Convention on Human Rights and other equality laws in the UK. Whilst UK Courts will not recognise any mediation that might put any woman at a disadvantage or excert undue pressure.
In 2014 Baroness Cox, a member of the House of Lords, tried to introduce a law to ensure that women aren't disadvantaged in mediation by religious bodies, and make clear that they aren't a court.
But, formally, this is already the case.
While feuding couples have to at least consider mediation before going to court, it doesn't override family law.
A court has to sign off on any agreement made after divorce for it to be legally binding, and won't do so if the judge thinks it's unfair.
In 2013, the High Court was asked by an Orthodox Jewish couple to accept the ruling of a Jewish religious court on post-divorce family arrangements.
The judge said that while the agreement would carry weight, it would be non-binding—neither party could get around English law by agreeing to abide by the decision of another tribunal.
The majority of Muslims that I've met in North America (US and Canada) pretty much want to be left alone. Oh, they may observe Ramadan, and pray five times a day, and are planning a once-in-a-lifetime pilgrimage to Mecca, as required by the five pillars of Islam; but they are not planning to ban beverage alcohol or chop the hands off of thieves.
Admittedly, some Muslims in North America would like that. We've all heard about the Muslim cabdriver who refuses a fare at the airport, because the arriving traveller is carrying duty-free booze; and we've heard about honor killings and female circumcision. But the latter two are crimes under states' and Canadian federal criminal codes (and are accordingly prosecuted); and the former usually results in the cabbie being shamed in public media at best, and a loss of job at worst.
But the majority of Muslims I've met in the US and Canada came to North America precisely to get away from that stuff. Away from the overbearing religion, away from overbearing relatives who insist that they follow that religion, and away from governments that deny rights based on that religion. Like my Roman Catholic friends, who can practice their religion by attending Mass, confessing their sins, and observing Lent without telling me about it; most Muslims of my acquaintance just want to observe their religion privately. They happily laugh at jokes made in the break room, talk about last weekend's football game, discuss the weather, make plans for weekend golf, and share stories of their kids as they grow up. They have no ulterior motive to institute Sharia law--that's what they wanted to get away from.
The majority are not the problem. It's the wacko minority who seem to be in power.
Who would be silly enough to really believe this could happen?
Anyone who can read the history of Islam starting in the 7th Century? Anyone who can read the history of both the Protestant and Catholic "churches" in Middle Age Europe, re: how much power they held in national governments? Anyone who can read the history of every secular totalitarian dictatorship of the last 200 years, specifically China, Russia, Cambodia, Iraq, and North Korea, where the peoples deity is replaced with the State deity?
Governments telling people what to think, to believe and how to behave is an inherent part of their monopoly on force & violence and their guaranteed, inevitable evolution towards tyranny. If it isn't sharia, it will be something, because tyrants cannot have you thinking for yourself, so they will provide you with what to think and believe such that you fit better into their well ordered construct.
It's coming, just a matter of what thoughts and beliefs and how long it takes to arrive.
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