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Old 01-17-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Vegabern View Post
Might I remind you who was in control of both branches of congress and the presidency when the shutdown started?

Hint; Dems didn't take the house until Jan 3. A full 12 days AFTER the shutdown started.
Clearly you don't understand the definition of control or how government is structured or works.

The talking points BS is unimpressive and uninformed.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:07 AM
 
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You can't negotiate with an incompetent grifter that never was the great negotiator he claimed to be. I wonder if there is a chapter in Art of the Deal about using hostage taking and extortion to get one's way.
If that were the case there is a way to deal with it. ( hostage taking ) The Dems are not serious negotiator's and turn a blind eye to the situation and any progress. The Dems are no more effective than a speed bump slowing progress. In the end there will be a solution arrived at. One way or another. Right now the Dems want no part in a solution. They offer nothing.

The Dems have rejected all recommended solutions to hostage negotiations.
Educate yourself and the Dems on recommended ways to deal with the situation.


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Old 01-17-2019, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Trump alone can fix it

That's what he tells us.

And he says he only attracts "the best people in the world!"

Seems all the "good guys" have just simply gotten sick of the criminal stench in tRump's WH and walked away on their own; Cohn, Mattis, Kelly, McMaster.

So, who are all these screwballs he's placed in his cabinet?

His inner circle is a bunch of felons, grifters and wife beaters. How many have already been convicted? How many others have been forced out when their "questionable" backgrounds were made public?

It's hard to get an accurate count.

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Old 01-17-2019, 11:50 AM
 
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One look at humans and it's obvious that if there is a god he makes huge mistakes.

god gave humans free will, we make the mistakes, not god.


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Trump is responsible for the shutdown and everyone knows it. Americans are really hurting because of him! So if there really is a god, why doesnít he get our government running again?

why do you always look to god to fix problems that humans created?
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:52 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Trump was responsible for the initial shutdown.

The Godless democrats are responsible for the shutdown continuing on. They have decided they won't negotiate.
We don't negotiate with terrorists and hostage takers.

Get what you want THROUGH THE CONGRESS. That's the legal channel. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say, "if the President gets butthurt because he didn't get his way, then he shall shut down the government and use Americans' livelihoods as collateral.". That's a new one on you guys.

And you had GOP controlled House, Senate, and White House for TWO YEARS. Couldn't pass it then? Tough. Accept your loss and move on.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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We don't negotiate with terrorists and hostage takers.
Oh well.
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Old 01-17-2019, 12:02 PM
 
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Trump is doing a great job. God bless him. Finally someone comes along to drain the swamp. Great economy..strengthening our military. Stern on securing our borders. Best president in years. Nothing but love and respect for him. Poor democrats seething with hate.
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Old 01-17-2019, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Trumpville
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Bill Maher began to parallel trump to the Old Testament version of God and I think it went over some heads. But it all makes sense at the root of it.

GOD = perfection and makes no mistakes HOWEVER the people delegated to carry out his mission are subject to mistakes flaws and failures. These are not attributed to GOD but to the delegates.
(Trump doesnít make mistakes, only the people defeated to carry out his mission do).
GOD ALONE can fix it (Trump alone can fix everything).
GOD - have faith, believe in spite of what you see and what you hear (Trump donít believe what you see and what you hear).

These peoples warped perception of their belief have made them accepting of these things
It makes sense. Growing up fundamentalist Baptist and still being stuck living in Oklahoma, I am very familiar with Trump's base and how they see the world. Their "Christianity" places greater emphasis on the Old Testament God and his laws and judgments than it does the actual words and teachings of Jesus. So yes, Trump is very much like the god they worship.
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Old 01-17-2019, 12:09 PM
 
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Trump is divinely appointed and doing a fantastic job. Trump/Pence 2020. Build the wall.
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Old 01-17-2019, 12:14 PM
 
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Trump was responsible for the initial shutdown.

The Godless democrats are responsible for the shutdown continuing on. They have decided they won't negotiate.
So what you are basically saying is, Trump caused the shutdown--which you readily admit--so now it's everyone else's responsibility to end it? Why is not the responsibility of the person who caused it to end it as well?
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