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Need some explanation here. For those who didn’t work, why should they be paid?
Before you argue it’s not their fault, it’s not the taxpayers’ fault either. In the private sector, if a company shuts down due to slow sales, nobody would be paid.
Since they will get the pay back for not doing any work, that’s like paid vacation! Frankly, all the whining from the federal employees is only because they have no savings when they know government shutdowns are not rare events.
Beyond it not being their fault... And it not being paid vacation because you're not allowed to go anywhere and you're worried about money every day so you're unwilling to spend said money...
The government is not a private business. They are not in sales. The same rules doesn't apply.
Furthermore, it is rare when a company shuts down with no warning given to the employees in advance. If and when it happens, it is often limited to very small, locally owned businesses. Also, when large, public companies shut down or lay people off, a good number of them offer severance packages, benefits extensions, etc for some months after the company shuts down - provided they aren't a retail worker at the lower end of the totem pole. Last but not least, I'm not sure there is a private sector job in this country where an employee can be forced to work without pay.
Government shutdowns used to be a rare thing and they are usually really short. There have been 3 this year (unbelievably). Prior to this year, the last was in 2013 and the one before that was 95-96. If you exclude this year, that is 2 shut downs in over 20 years. How is that a regular event?
Why do people in this country mutter about workers getting paid, but say nothing about the fact politics, rhetoric and ideologies are allowed to shut down the government to begin with? This kind of thing doesn't happen elsewhere - and if it were too, the public would toss everyone on both sides of the aisles out on their ears.
I'm weary of people saying employees should have and use their savings when the vast majority of people in this country live paycheck to paycheck and don't have any savings. I can't help but to wonder when people pound the savings drum, how much savings they actually have and how long it would realistically keep them going.
Beyond it not being their fault... And it not being paid vacation because you're not allowed to go anywhere and you're worried about money every day so you're unwilling to spend said money...
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You didn't get the memo. All non-essential federal employees are millionaires with their own yacht and private island that they can chill & relax for a whole month at any moment
Of course "the people" shouldn't be made poorer to pay for something they did not receive or even agree to buying in the first place (which encompasses the illegitimacy of govt in general)
I have friends who are federal employees were sent home and can't work until they are recalled.
There are two types of people in this situation:
1) the ones who just tolerate their job and have lots of savings and are enjoying their time off. Many are doing things they never had time for in the past because they were so busy with work. Many are travelling and have bought a one-way ticket and told their supervisor that they can return to the office from the trip in a day or two. They understand that they are going to be paid eventually and most people in the world would love to have the opportunity to not work but be paid for it.
2) The ones that love their jobs and feel just terrible to be sent home. They are going nuts! They don't know what to do with themselves and are spending all day worrying and looking at their phone and checking emails constantly thinking they will be called back to work any minute now. They lack knowledge of the political process and don't understand this can go on for many more months. I tell them that the government shut down is dumb but use this opportunity to get outside, there is a world out there with lots of things to do. My advice to them goes nowhere and they stay inside for much of the day moping.
I wonder if people have stopped to think about long range consequences of treating employees like this? Who in their right mind will ever want a federal job after this? Anyone with any competence or ability will go elsewhere.
If you thought it was mind numbing to deal with government agencies before, imagine what it will be like in years to come, when nobody who has any competence will be willing to work for the feds.
Need some explanation here. For those who didn’t work, why should they be paid?
Before you argue it’s not their fault, it’s not the taxpayers’ fault either. In the private sector, if a company shuts down due to slow sales, nobody would be paid.
Since they will get the pay back for not doing any work, that’s like paid vacation! Frankly, all the whining from the federal employees is only because they have no savings when they know government shutdowns are not rare events.
I have friends who are federal employees were sent home and can't work until they are recalled.
There are two types of people in this situation:
1) the ones who just tolerate their job and have lots of savings and are enjoying their time off. Many are doing things they never had time for in the past because they were so busy with work. Many are travelling and have bought a one-way ticket and told their supervisor that they can return to the office from the trip in a day or two. They understand that they are going to be paid eventually and most people in the world would love to have the opportunity to not work but be paid for it.
2) The ones that love their jobs and feel just terrible to be sent home. They are going nuts! They don't know what to do with themselves and are spending all day worrying and looking at their phone and checking emails constantly thinking they will be called back to work any minute now. They lack knowledge of the political process and don't understand this can go on for many more months. I tell them that the government shut down is dumb but use this opportunity to get outside, there is a world out there with lots of things to do. My advice to them goes nowhere and they stay inside for much of the day moping.
Not being able to: pay rent, mortgage, meds., bills and buy food sure can make a person mope.
Well if the worker is forced to keep working without a paycheck they should certainly be paid once the budget is approved.
If the worker is on a salary and is sent home through no fault of their own they should be paid.
The real fault lies in the Democrat leaders that are refusing to talk about common sense border security. Where was Pelosi and others when the shutdown began? They went to Puerto Rico to hang out on the beach. Nice.
The workers are not to blame and they are the ones suffering while the politicians continue to get paid and go about their lives. That should speak volumes about who they are.
Except of course that at least half of your post is a lie. Democrats are more than willing to discuss border SECURITY. They have made it clear that is different than a wall, which they will not agree to waste billions of dollars on.
And Democrats were in Puerto Rico to support the hurricane victims this administration has continued to try to ignore, thinking that some rolls of paper towels thrown at them by the orange moron was enough to fix the issue. But when the shutdown started? The GOP controlled the House then, if you have any interest whatsoever in actual facts.
As for the original question, these workers did not choose to be furloughed and have no say in the matter. And the fact is that the government of the United States of America is NOT a private company so any such comparison is wrong and irrelevant. The USA has not gone out of business, we just have a stubborn and selfish liar who gets led around by the nose by the likes of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh instead of having even a scintilla of concern about actual every day Americans.
Need some explanation here. For those who didn’t work, why should they be paid?
Before you argue it’s not their fault, it’s not the taxpayers’ fault either. In the private sector, if a company shuts down due to slow sales, nobody would be paid.
Since they will get the pay back for not doing any work, that’s like paid vacation! Frankly, all the whining from the federal employees is only because they have no savings when they know government shutdowns are not rare events.
It's simple, read my new post, like it or not, it's the law. I was a union rep, (blue collar) for many years when I was with the government.
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