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Originally Posted by Clarallel
Interestingly, there was a 1965 political thriller, by Fletcher Knebel, The Night of Camp David, which is now being re-issued. The headline on the new ad is:
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. WENT STARK-RAVING MAD?
I guess the publisher must feel it's suddenly relevant again, eh?
I haven't read it, but now I'm curious. Have any of you read it?
Interestingly, there was a 1965 political thriller, by Fletcher Knebel, The Night of Camp David, which is now being re-issued. The headline on the new ad is:
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. WENT STARK-RAVING MAD?
I guess the publisher must feel it's suddenly relevant again, eh?
I haven't read it, but now I'm curious. Have any of you read it?
Woodrow Wilson was essentially unable to communicate or carry out his duties for the last two years of his presidency following a stroke. His wife basically took over his duties and no one was the wiser.
Interestingly, there was a 1965 political thriller, by Fletcher Knebel, The Night of Camp David, which is now being re-issued. The headline on the new ad is:
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. WENT STARK-RAVING MAD?
I guess the publisher must feel it's suddenly relevant again, eh?
I haven't read it, but now I'm curious. Have any of you read it?
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And obama never had scandal.....
His predecessor wasn't exactly squeaky clean either. Scooter Libby, Karl Rove, Haliburton, Gitmo, Valerie Plame affair, starting a war under false pretenses despite our closest allies in Europe and Hans Blix's inspections pre-war?
Could we really use a man like George W. Bush again?
That was not the question that was presented to me.
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Originally Posted by Phil75230
His predecessor wasn't exactly squeaky clean either. Scooter Libby, Karl Rove, Haliburton, Gitmo, Valerie Plame affair, starting a war under false pretenses despite our closest allies in Europe and Hans Blix's inspections pre-war?
Could we really use a man like George W. Bush again?
Interestingly, there was a 1965 political thriller, by Fletcher Knebel, The Night of Camp David, which is now being re-issued. The headline on the new ad is:
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. WENT STARK-RAVING MAD?
I guess the publisher must feel it's suddenly relevant again, eh?
I haven't read it, but now I'm curious. Have any of you read it?
This president has been pushed like no other........no president in history have been ABUSED more than he, and I wonder how long will it take for him to be pushed to the brink of no END......and all he is trying to do is make our country stronger, before it collapses on the hands of the other group....!!!!!
Being black and not cowtowing to the religious right doesn't count. Try agian.
Being the most prolific war lord with drone strikes makes him a little nuts. Trump on the other hand has ordered almost no military action against anyone. Who is nuts?
I think that we have various constitutional remedies for a number of possible presidential succession problems such as incapacitation or criminal behavior of different kinds. But is there a remedy that would resolve an intentional or deranged absense without notice. If the president went on an unannounced AWOL...just disappeared without a resignation or expression of intent, there would have to be some declaration or common recognition that the presidency was vacated. Who would decide? How would we be sure the president was not kidnapped or held hostage? Would partisan politics delay or influence the replacement or succession process or timing? In state governments, the Lieutenant Governor can sign bills to approve legislation as the acting Governor in the absence of the elected Governor. Vice Presidents preside over the Senate so are effectively in two separate branches of government and can’t sign bills into law, we need a president for that. If Trump, or any president, flees to Bahrain or Russia on the sly, either to escape formal impeachment or due to mental defect and instability, they are still president until somebody decides otherwise. The 25th Amendment assumes rational behavior on everyone’s part but that might not happen.
I think that we have various constitutional remedies for a number of possible presidential succession problems such as incapacitation or criminal behavior of different kinds. But is there a remedy that would resolve an intentional or deranged absense without notice. If the president went on an unannounced AWOL...just disappeared without a resignation or expression of intent, there would have to be some declaration or common recognition that the presidency was vacated. Who would decide? How would we be sure the president was not kidnapped or held hostage? Would partisan politics delay or influence the replacement or succession process or timing? In state governments, the Lieutenant Governor can sign bills to approve legislation as the acting Governor in the absence of the elected Governor. Vice Presidents preside over the Senate so are effectively in two separate branches of government and can’t sign bills into law, we need a president for that. If Trump, or any president, flees to Bahrain or Russia on the sly, either to escape formal impeachment or due to mental defect and instability, they are still president until somebody decides otherwise. The 25th Amendment assumes rational behavior on everyone’s part but that might not happen.
I don't think there is any remedy. Remember, as you seem to be getting at, the Founders assumed people were rational. They also assumed they were moral and ethical...at least to a degree and when they had common interests.
Jimmy Carter disappeared for a couple days at Camp David, but he was in touch and a doctor was sent to check on him (he was running a number of miles, so deemed OK).....
I don't think there is any way of addressing this except asking the American public not to elect people like Trump. Play with fire and you are going to get burned.
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How could one think otherwise? Have you not heard the idiot speak?? 
