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Obviously I understand that given the makeup of Congress, compromise is necessary to stop the impasse but I'll honestly say that as a Trump supporter and the son of LEGAL immigrants, Trump has already compromised significantly more than the Democrats.
As a voter here is what I actually believe:
If someone is illegal, they don't deserve anything. I think DACA should be rescinded and they should have NO path to citizenship and that they should just be happy we're not able to deport them all. Illegal aliens in my opinion are NOT entitled to in-state college tuition or shouldn't even have the right to education or health care at all in the United States. I also believe in an Israeli-style concrete barrier going at least 20 feet underground to prevent tunnels and with sensors and drones flying across the border at all times. I also believe birthright citizenship should be modified where at least one parent has to be in the U.S. legally.
I would also be okay with the use of snipers and drone strikes against Mexican drug cartels and traffickers along the border.
So yes what Trump has done is compromise MUCH more than the Democrats have. Given that I now recognize the need for compromise given the makeup of Congress, I can LIVE WITH (not necessarily like) DACA recipients being given permanent residency but not citizenship, and their illegal parents should have zero respite. No illegal alien who came over the age of 18 should get any kind of amnesty. This in exchange for the wall. Either all this or the complete and permanent defunding of Planned Parenthood and the permanent repeal of Obamacare in exchange for no wall and continued DACA.
The Democrats haven't compromise a single bit. This is why I believe Trump must keep the government closed until the Democrats back down. If Trump re-opens the government now we get nothing and the Democrats get everything they want- no wall, plus amnesty for DACA and other illegals.
What compromise do you want the Democrats to make?
Similar to what President Trump proposed - but giving permanent residency to the Dreamers (NOT their parents) in exchange for the border wall and the $5 in border security. This would be compromising within the border security and immigration issue.
If there is no border wall and full amnesty for illegals, then in exchange I would demand the complete defunding of Planned Parenthood or the permanent and complete repeal of Obamacare. This would be giving the left a large victory in something they're passionate about in exchange for us getting a large victory in something WE are passionate about. The only issue I can more about than illegal immigration is abortion.
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Obviously I understand that given the makeup of Congress, compromise is necessary to stop the impasse but I'll honestly say that as a Trump supporter and the son of LEGAL immigrants, Trump has already compromised significantly more than the Democrats.
As a voter here is what I actually believe:
If someone is illegal, they don't deserve anything. I think DACA should be rescinded and they should have NO path to citizenship and that they should just be happy we're not able to deport them all. Illegal aliens in my opinion are NOT entitled to in-state college tuition or shouldn't even have the right to education or health care at all in the United States. I also believe in an Israeli-style concrete barrier going at least 20 feet underground to prevent tunnels and with sensors and drones flying across the border at all times. I also believe birthright citizenship should be modified where at least one parent has to be in the U.S. legally.
I would also be okay with the use of snipers and drone strikes against Mexican drug cartels and traffickers along the border.
So yes what Trump has done is compromise MUCH more than the Democrats have. Given that I now recognize the need for compromise given the makeup of Congress, I can LIVE WITH (not necessarily like) DACA recipients being given permanent residency but not citizenship, and their illegal parents should have zero respite. No illegal alien who came over the age of 18 should get any kind of amnesty. This in exchange for the wall. Either all this or the complete and permanent defunding of Planned Parenthood and the permanent repeal of Obamacare in exchange for no wall and continued DACA.
The Democrats haven't compromise a single bit. This is why I believe Trump must keep the government closed until the Democrats back down. If Trump re-opens the government now we get nothing and the Democrats get everything they want- no wall, plus amnesty for DACA and other illegals.
So, tell me. Do you have a problem that we took in boat people after the Vietnam War or displaced people after WWII? Are you just opposed to people who can walk here?
Immigration laws have needed a big overhaul for years. The Senate tried to do a bipartisan bill some years ago, but it went nowhere in the Republican controlled house.
There are still areas that were targeted for fences with the 2006 law that are unfenced because landowners are still fighting it in the courts. Trump's dumb wall doesn't fix that. The Democrats want to repair and replace old fencing. Got a problem with that? The Democrats want to increase border patrol agents and judges. Got a problem with that? The Democrats want to use modern technology to help patrol the border. Got a problem with that?
Besides that, why the sudden thing with one caravan after another? That's not business as usual. Did it ever occur to you that someone is down there stirring this up for a purpose?
The Democrats haven't compromise a single bit. This is why I believe Trump must keep the government closed until the Democrats back down. If Trump re-opens the government now we get nothing and the Democrats get everything they want- no wall, plus amnesty for DACA and other illegals.
I full agree, except for drone strike usage.
I would add I would give Dreamers one path to citizenship, just like most criminals. Rat out other criminals. Tell us where mom, dad, or any adult family who snuck you in illegally are, testify against them, and their deportation gives you a path to citizenship.
Similar to what President Trump proposed - but giving permanent residency to the Dreamers (NOT their parents) in exchange for the border wall and the $5 in border security. This would be compromising within the border security and immigration issue.
If there is no border wall and full amnesty for illegals, then in exchange I would demand the complete defunding of Planned Parenthood or the permanent and complete repeal of Obamacare. This would be giving the left a large victory in something they're passionate about in exchange for us getting a large victory in something WE are passionate about. The only issue I can more about than illegal immigration is abortion.
The problem is this:
1. The $5B is just a start for the wall. Trump will need another $10-15B to finish the wall. And then there's annual maintenance.
2. The Dreamer (DACA) immigrants are here to stay. No matter what. They have no where else to go.
3. Defunding Planned Parenthood is such a hollow threat. The Feds pay very little for this benefit with no money going to abortion.
Deal or No Deal? I'd advise the Democrats to walk. Trump promised a wall with Mexico paying for it. Get Mexico to pay for it and I'd be onboard.
I would add I would give Dreamers one path to citizenship, just like most criminals. Rat out other criminals. Tell us where mom, dad, or any adult family who snuck you in illegally are, testify against them, and their deportation gives you a path to citizenship.
I do think this is an EXCELLENT idea! I remember once on Fox News they actually had a guest who was a leader of the Dreamer movement and she demanded that the Dreamers get citizenship AND be able to sponsor their illegal parents who brought them illegally. Tucker Carlson asked wouldn't that be rewarding the illegal parents for their crimes and the girl just went on and on on pointless tangents without answering the question.
Yes we must have sure that the Dreamers' illegal parents aren't rewarded for bringing these kids illegally. And also, in regards to the kids who died recently on the caravan, it was their parents who dragged on them on this journey and exposed them to the elements and their home countries who failed to provide adequate health care from birth.
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