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Old Yesterday, 12:52 PM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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DACA people should stay--it's not their fault that they are here. And three years is useless because they can't make any future plans with their future unknown.

Stop the rest of the illegal immigration.

Wall has little to do with it. Better border control, better security, more commonsense ways to enforce our immigration laws just like every other country.

Do you think people can just walk into Canada? Or into England? They have strict immigration laws. We do too. Enforce them.
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Old Yesterday, 12:53 PM
 
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And you have aptly illustrated the problem that arises when someone with the exclusive procedural power to control the passage of legislation cedes his decision-making authority to the executive. Congratulations.
Congress has been a passive participant since trump got elected. Until now
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Old Yesterday, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Boston
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Pelosi says no money for border security fencing, that's the holdup, that's why the shutdown continues.
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Old Yesterday, 02:11 PM
 
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Pelosi says no money for border security fencing, that's the holdup, that's why the shutdown continues.
Stop spreading fake news. She has not said anything of the sort. She has said no money for a border wall. Strategic fencing was always on the table.
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Old Yesterday, 02:13 PM
 
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No dice for a 3 year deferment, dems want a permanent solution, not just kick the can down the road 3 years.

$3.1B for DACA reform/solution, deal.
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Old Yesterday, 02:14 PM
 
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I'm confused on the whole "the wall is immoral" thing. Can someone explain to me please.
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Old Yesterday, 02:25 PM
 
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DACA people should stay--it's not their fault that they are here. And three years is useless because they can't make any future plans with their future unknown.

Stop the rest of the illegal immigration.

Wall has little to do with it. Better border control, better security, more commonsense ways to enforce our immigration laws just like every other country.

Do you think people can just walk into Canada? Or into England? They have strict immigration laws. We do too. Enforce them.

No, they shouldn't stay! Why should they benefit from their parent's law breaking? It would also reward their parents for bringing them here illegally and sets a precedence that all you have to is drag your kids over our border and they are home free. What would you do with their parents? Why would they want to be separated from them? Send the whole family back to their homelands, unseparated.


The wall will help deter future illegal entry it's already been proven. There is no better way to do that. In today's world we aren't allowed to enforce our immigration laws once they get in here. Far too many bleeding heart liberals and those with a vested interest in keeping them here. Any attempt to do so and you earn the racist label. End all of this nonsense now!
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Old Yesterday, 02:32 PM
 
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Just rescind DACA and start deporting. Trump is under no obligation to continue Obama’s nonsense. Better to ask forgiveness than permission, especially when your side has pardon power.
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Old Yesterday, 02:34 PM
 
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No, they shouldn't stay! Why should they benefit from their parent's law breaking? It would also reward their parents for bringing them here illegally and sets a precedence that all you have to is drag your kids over our border and they are home free. What would you do with their parents? Why would they want to be separated from them? Send the whole family back to their homelands, unseparated.


The wall will help deter future illegal entry it's already been proven. There is no better way to do that. In today's world we aren't allowed to enforce our immigration laws once they get in here. Far too many bleeding heart liberals and those with a vested interest in keeping them here. Any attempt to do so and you earn the racist label. End all of this nonsense now!
Glory, if they shouldn't stay, why are we not kicking out their parents. The law knows where they are. Why are we letting everybody but harden criminals have a pass? To hell with the bleeding hearts. Let them support the illegals.

Could it be because those who employ all those people want them here? I'll support a useless wall, when the USA federal government starts rounding up people and sending them back to where the came from. How much do you think that will cost? How long will it take? If it is decided the illegals cannot be deported, at least stop all welfare and free medical. Let the employers pay the going rate and supply health insurance.
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Old Yesterday, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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A bank or other private lender would not consider investing $ billions unless the borrower had a well vetted plan. Yet, there is an expectation Congress should do so.

Where is the plan?

Trump has publicly stated Mexico will pay for the wall.

Trump has said he knows construction better than anyone.

Trump has publicly stated the wall would cost $4- 22 billion and nearly every $ in between.

The Trump has stated it would be made out of concrete and rebar.

Where is the plan?

How many feet?

How much private land needs to be seized via Eminent Domain? What will this cost, including litigation and appeals? How long will it take to do so?

How tall is the fence?

How much below grade level?

What composistiin?

What is the annual cost to maintain and repair?

What is the projected useful life?

Where is the plan?

LOL Where's the left's plan to get us out of the 20 trillion dollars of debt we have???
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