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Old 04-10-2008, 01:29 PM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by TKramar View Post
Maybe she doesn't need to continue living...when I get old and frail, I certainly won't burden society with MY existence.
yeah your a real tough guy, with a statement like that you show exactly what you are.

Why should guns be legal? To protect us from people like you.

 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Yay for TK! He's such as tough guy!

So, you gonna teach my frail, 5'1" tall, 64 year old mother how to defend herself without a weapon? I notice that you conveniently ignored that part of my post.
I'd install locks on her doors. If she's old and frail she shouldn't be handling guns. She'll undoubted hurt herself or one of her neighbors.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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She'll undoubted hurt herself or one of her neighbors.
Yes or No: You would be perfectly happy if all personal / private ownership hand guns were banned in the United States.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Survival of the fittest. If you're not fit, you don't survive. That's perfectly reasonable...and "natural". Look to the animal kingdom. Only the strong survive.
"Survival of the fittest" is based on the notion that an animal will do whatever it can to survive. I am an animal, as is any human, and my survival instinct is as strong as anything or anyone else's. Humans have risen to where they are in the animal kingdom primarily because they possess the intelligence to create and use increasingly complex tools. One of the tools I use is a Glock 27. I use that tool to create an advantage against an attacker, or to eliminate my disadvantage in the event that he's got a similar tool, in an unpredictable situation.

If you're completely intent on "surviving" without the use of any of the advantages that come with intelligence, then shut off your computer, sell your house, give away ALL your clothes and go find a nice cave to sleep in. I hope it doesn't get too cold, as you won't be able to use fire to warm your naked self, either.

Now, for the obvious paradox you created with your last two statements. You claimed that you "certainly won't burden society with [your] existence". You also claimed to subscribe to the "survival of the fittest" paradigm. Suicide and survival are mutually exclusive. You can't claim to live by the "survival of the fittest" mantra and then intentionally take your own life.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:42 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Survival of the fittest. If you're not fit, you don't survive. That's perfectly reasonable...and "natural". Look to the animal kingdom. Only the strong survive.
Oh come on,now that's being silly.Seriously man
 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Yes or No: You would be perfectly happy if all personal / private ownership hand guns were banned in the United States.
Frankly I don't really care about communities outside of my own. If people in some other town want to shoot the place up, I don't have a dog in the fight. We've decided here that we don't want people waving handguns around shooting up the place.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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Frankly I don't really care about communities outside of my own. If people in some other town want to shoot the place up, I don't have a dog in the fight. We've decided here that we don't want people waving handguns around shooting up the place.
Right, it's those law-abiding gun owners who go around pretending it's the wild west. Never criminals who always abide by gun laws...

So if your community has decided to outlaw guns then why are there so many shootings in DC?
 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Frankly I don't really care about communities outside of my own. If people in some other town want to shoot the place up, I don't have a dog in the fight. We've decided here that we don't want people waving handguns around shooting up the place.
You did not answer my question -

Assuming you are an American Citizen, you do have a "dog in the fight" -

And, there is every reason to believe the prohibition against handguns in the District will soon be reversed.

So, once again, yes or no - You would be perfectly happy if all personal / private ownership hand guns were banned in the United States
 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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If she's old and frail she shouldn't be handling guns. She'll undoubted hurt herself or one of her neighbors.
How could you possibly make that statement? You don't know anything about her other than that she's short, in her mid 60s and frail. You have no clue (cough) about her mental acuity, her motor control or her vision, which is all that matters when you need to pull the trigger on an attacker.

I do find it interesting that you and TK both opted to attack my mother when I brought up the fact that without a weapon, she'd be unable to defend herself against an attacker. This shows me that neither of you have a legitimate argument when it comes to the need for guns to be legal for self defense. As is normal for many who hold your position, you steer the conversation away when a point that invalidates your argument is raised. This tells me that even you know that your argument can't hold up to scrutiny, and that you're basing it on emotion and your own personal opinions, rather than facts.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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So if your community has decided to outlaw guns then why are there so many shootings in DC?
The District has one of the highest murder rates, by firearms, in the nation. Go figure
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