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Old 01-22-2019, 02:20 PM
 
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He may need an invite to use the House or Senate chamber for delivering a live speech, but he does not need permission or invitation to present the State of the Union. All the US Constitution says on the matter is:
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Originally Posted by US Constitution, Article 2, Section 3, in part
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;
Everything about the current theater of the SotU is tradition, nothing more.

He can deliver the State of the Union from the Oval Office, the Rose Garden, the International Space Station, his master bathroom toilet, or anywhere else should he choose to broadcast it, and he can deliver a written version along with it if he feels so inclined, and he can do it on August 3rd or May 12th or Christmas of 2020 if he feels like it. All the Constitution requires that he do it "from time to time."

It is not the prerogative of the Speaker of the House to set the terms of the State of the Union, as it is a power/duty described in Article 2, not Article 1. He could just as easily address the Senate in their chamber if he felt like it. He could have a microphone setup on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and go all "I have a dream" on the SotU if he feels like it.

It's up to him ENTIRELY.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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apparently pelosi did extend an invitation. but there could still be a hitch according to fox news reporter.



If Pelosi does deny the president's sotu speech because of political disagreements, it would be a bad precedent to set for the future presidents. don't you think? it is possible there would no longer be any sotu speeches unless the president's party holds a majority in both houses.
Republicans would never be so Rude or Crass. I don't worry about it being a precedent of any sort except for when Leftists are in control of the US House of Representatives.

It will be quite a picture if Nancy hangs out her dirty laundry to the world.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:23 PM
 
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Who cares? No one will watch it. Maybe it will only air on FOX.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Pelosi does not own the entire capital. The GOP controls the Senate. He can deliver it there if he wants. I'm sure Mitch McConnell will extend the invite.

He can deliver it in the House if he wants. The US Constitution gives him, not Pelosi, that power.
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He doesn't control the House chamber. He doesn't have a key. He needs to be invited, he can't just walk in.
Incorrect.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:26 PM
 
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Who cares? No one will watch it. Maybe it will only air on FOX.
Are you kidding?

Pelosi's actions have absolutely guaranteed that it will get world wide record viewership. Especially if she remains "defiant" about it. Even the most leftists of the corrupt MSM outlets will be forced to cover it.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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I think it would be extremely refreshing to see the President give this speech in the oval office, with no one present but him, and the tv cameras.
No stupid interruptions by useless clapping.
The state of the union speech should be done in a setting like the oval office.

Get rid of the stupidity of a large, crowded room, full of polarizing factions, and have the speech where it belongs, right in the office of the President of the united states, the elected representative of the people.

Bob.
Yes--I agree. That is what almost all leaders around the world do. The give a televised speech and everyone is happy because nobody has to watch. They'll get the gist later.

I guarantee you that Trump will not agree to that because he is in love with all the superficial stuff--lights, camera, action, applause! It makes him feel important. In all honesty nobody can state that Trump prefers substance over style. So no substance.

If he refuses to do it in the Oval Office, just give him an auditorium with an applause tape, red hats on the seatbacks, and some cameras. He really doesn't need an audience who is not listening or believing him, anyhow.

The question is who will Trump bow to--Pelosi or Limbaugh/Coulter. He cannot give it without both chambers passing a resolution, but Nancy has the key. I bet Trump wants the tv attention badly enough to go for Pelosi. Just like he signed last year's spending bill, so he could go to Maralago and golf.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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He can deliver it in the House if he wants. The US Constitution gives him, not Pelosi, that power.Incorrect.
NO.

He needs to be invited. He is not the boss of the legislative branch of government.

You never heard of separation of powers? Where were you when the rest of us were learning civics?

He has a duty to make that report to congress, not a right to make it.

Customarily it was a report delivered in writing until some president was invited to give it orally
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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He needs to be invited.
Feel free to show us where it says this in the US Constitution.



On the other hand Article II Section 3, gives Trump the power to call together a joint session of congress at his pleasure.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:43 PM
 
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Trump will be giving the SOTU right where he gave it last year and there is nothing Pelosi or the Democrats can do about it.


If they want to attempt to order the Sergeant-of-Arms to bar entry or something outrageous, which I wouldn't put past these extremists, then Trump needs to and will use a SEAL team to gain entrance and give the speech.
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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On the other hand Article II Section 3, gives Trump the power to call together a joint session of congress at his pleasure.
Article II, section III says no such thing

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec3.html
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He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
The SOTU is not the same thing as one of those "extraordinary measures," it is clearly a separate instance from it.
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