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Old 01-22-2019, 05:24 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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The Trump Wall is NOT the real agenda. It is being used as a distraction so that we don't discuss what Trump (and his Bannonites) are really doing which is to reduce the size of government and to dismantle social programs. If the wall were the real issue then Trump would have pushed for it in Year One when the Republicans had both the House and the Senate. It is not about the wall and it was never about the wall.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQvig0KvUaE
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:43 PM
 
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I have mentioned the 1971 Powel memorandum and the subsequent huge organized corporate business push for many more Washington lobbyist and the long-term plan to take the country right and undo FDRs new-deal..


mostly i get little response..what we have now is a mass-media totally dominated by the corporate right establishment who seems to trickle-out little emotional pieces just to push peoples buttons


this is NOT a democratic/republican issue as the democrats abandoned the average worker long ago in favor of globalism
and of course at least in modern time republicans have always been the party of business
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Old 01-22-2019, 05:48 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Excellent post!


(runs off to google 1971 Powell memorandum)


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I have mentioned the 1971 Powel memorandum and the subsequent huge organized corporate business push for many more Washington lobbyist and the long-term plan to take the country right and undo FDRs new-deal..


mostly i get little response..what we have now is a mass-media totally dominated by the corporate right establishment who seems to trickle-out little emotional pieces just to push peoples buttons


this is NOT a democratic/republican issue as the democrats abandoned the average worker long ago in favor of globalism
and of course at least in modern time republicans have always been the party of business
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The Trump Wall is NOT the real agenda. It is being used as a distraction so that we don't discuss what Trump (and his Bannonites) are really doing which is to reduce the size of government and to dismantle social programs. If the wall were the real issue then Trump would have pushed for it in Year One when the Republicans had both the House and the Senate. It is not about the wall and it was never about the wall.
So what's the problem with those rich people led by Trump? They are evil and want to get back at poor people for being poor by dismantling welfare programs? After all, some of their tax dollars go to support welfare programs. But then a lot of middle class people join in with the rich for hating poor people for mooching off of them every time they pay taxes. In the red states, the attitude of the middle class against government helping the poor helps explain why Republicans overwhelmingly took control from the Democrats.

It was sure about the wall, while Trump during the 2016 campaign repeatedly said Mexico would pay for building the wall. Too bad how so many Trump voters were gullible enough to fall hook, line and sinker for it.

By the way, if the wall required 60 votes in the Senate to build it, the Republicans never had it while they dominated both houses.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:50 PM
 
Location: New York
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As a Libertarian, I can only hope that is the agenda. Smaller government, well managed social nets, balanced budgets, the FED getting out my bedroom and out of the way!!!


HELL YES! About freakin time!



Heh, an alternate agenda based on building a $25B wall, that Democrats voted for TWICE!



Too funny, so disconnected and irrational.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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The Trump Wall is NOT the real agenda. It is being used as a distraction so that we don't discuss what Trump (and his Bannonites) are really doing which is to reduce the size of government and to dismantle social programs. If the wall were the real issue then Trump would have pushed for it in Year One when the Republicans had both the House and the Senate. It is not about the wall and it was never about the wall.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQvig0KvUaE
Makes no sense. Why distract us from something good with something dumb?
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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Heh, an alternate agenda based on building a $25B wall, that Democrats voted for TWICE!



Too funny, so disconnected and irrational.
Link?
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:02 PM
 
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The organizational counterattack of business in the 1970s was swift and sweeping — a domestic version of Shock and Awe. The number of corporations with public affairs offices in Washington grew from 100 in 1968 to over 500 in 1978. In 1971, only 175 firms had registered lobbyists in Washington, but by 1982, nearly 2,500 did. The number of corporate PACs increased from under 300 in 1976 to over 1,200 by the middle of 1980.[5] On every dimension of corporate political activity, the numbers reveal a dramatic, rapid mobilization of business resources in the mid-1970s.
What the numbers alone cannot show is something of potentially even greater significance: Employers learned how to work together to achieve shared political goals. As members of coalitions, firms could mobilize more proactively and on a much broader front. Corporate leaders became advocates not just for the narrow interests of their firms but also for the shared interests of business as a whole.


so then the exponential growth of corporate lobbyist with their reganomic trickle-on monetary policies along with globalism has had little effect on the Nation..these people do not even care about one specific political race or issue..
they have always been about long term effect..sort of "hearts and minds" and make no mistake they have been winning for forty years and IMO are responsible for the great divide within this country as well as the dems abandoning the common worker in favor of the higher educated upper class professional...


i have heard it said that there was really nowhere to turn for the what used to be hard-core democratic vote and many turned to republican merely to be given lip-service
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:03 PM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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The Trump Wall is NOT the real agenda. It is being used as a distraction so that we don't discuss what Trump (and his Bannonites) are really doing which is to reduce the size of government and to dismantle social programs. If the wall were the real issue then Trump would have pushed for it in Year One when the Republicans had both the House and the Senate. It is not about the wall and it was never about the wall.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQvig0KvUaE
Congrats on understanding that we do want to reduce the size of government and dismantle social programs!
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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After all, some of their tax dollars go to support welfare programs. But then a lot of middle class people join in with the rich for hating poor people for mooching off of them every time they pay taxes.
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"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
LBJ...... early 1960s.

The Great Society was the best thing that ever happened to the corporatists. Not only did it take the working man's ire away from them and onto the black and brown people. The working man also began to loathe the government who provided for the poor and anybody who was in support of social programs (visa vis "liberals").
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