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Old Yesterday, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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are they breaking off relations with canada, chile, peru, colombia and brazil too?

yeah, it does look bad. it is probably going to have to get much worse before it can get better.
Bolsonaro is partly to blame for this.
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Old Yesterday, 03:44 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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My grandmother's store had a sign, you break it, you buy it. I don't think we need another country.
Colin Powell called that the Pottery Barn Rule, in the run-up to our 2003 invasion of Iraq. Too bad W Bush didn't listen to him more carefully. In fairness to Bush, Richard Armitage (Powell's confidante) once said that he and Powell were not opposed to going; they just disagreed with the timing. They wanted to wait until after 2004, then go. In any case the Pottery Barn Rule is a very good thing to keep in mind.
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Old Yesterday, 03:44 PM
 
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I'd prefer we just stay out of it entirely and let Venezuela stand or rot on their own.
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Old Yesterday, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Do we have an obligation to help?

I think so. Does anyone want to see a caravan of 100,000 Venezuelans coming our way to test our borders and claiming asylum?

Let's help them where they are.



Boy do we need a wall and immigration reform.
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Old Yesterday, 03:47 PM
 
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Bolsonaro is partly to blame for this.
how so?

what about oogo chavez - does he get any blame?
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Old Yesterday, 03:48 PM
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Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I donít support either side.

My point is intervention will make it worse, and DC knows that.

And they are technically a democracy even if itís not a functioning one.

But again, Iíve never been a supporter of Maduro or Chavez.
They are in reality no longer a democracy. Maduro won his last election by over 70%. Chavez's best number was 63%, and he was far more popular than Maduro. That tells everything you need to know. Chavez let in election monitors, and the few times when the vote did not go his way, he accepted the results. Under Chavez they did in fact have 'democratic socialism,' but not under Maduro.
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Old Yesterday, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Do we have an obligation to help?

I think so. Does anyone want to see a caravan of 100,000 Venezuelans coming our way to test our borders and claiming asylum?

Let's help them where they are.



Boy do we need a wall and immigration reform.
The caravan was from Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador.

Countries we helped destroy.
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Old Yesterday, 03:49 PM
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Do we have an obligation to help?

I think so. Does anyone want to see a caravan of 100,000 Venezuelans coming our way to test our borders and claiming asylum?

Let's help them where they are.



Boy do we need a wall and immigration reform.
Very true, and unlike those coming from Mexico, Honduras, etc. The Venezuelans would likely qualify for asylum.
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Old Yesterday, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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how so?

what about oogo chavez - does he get any blame?
He wants Maduro gone, and to build a right wing alliance across Latin America.

Edit: Chavez is dead.
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Old Yesterday, 03:50 PM
 
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Socialism in Venezuela has been a disaster.
Socialism has failed everywhere its tried. Venezuela is in turmoil on all fronts. The economy, death toll from gov. killing protestors, and more than 3 million have left with what they could carry.
All Americans in the country have been told to get out.
They arenít so much socialist as communists. I donít know why so many communist countries call
Themselves ď socialistĒ they arenít.
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