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They aren’t so much socialist as communists. I don’t know why so many communist countries call
Themselves “ socialist” they aren’t.
2 reasons they now call themselves Socialists instead of Marxist/Communists/Stalinists or whatever.
1. Lack of Education in the USA about Communism - the kiddos mostly know nothing about it.
2. It sounds better than Marxist/Communist ..... note the number of open Socialists who are getting elected in the USA. They preach FREE-FREE-FREE ..... Utopia, the land of Unicorns and Rainbows.
Chavez/Maduro and Venezuela are the Reality ..... they don't want sunlight on Reality.
Venezuela is not a democracy; it is a corrupt, inept regime, not a socialist democracy. I support socialism, but Venezuela just uses their oil to buy poor and ignorant voters. The level of criminality and corruption that brews from this type of system is beyond imagination. Only after having heard from Venezuelans themselves can we have a sense of what it is really like.
Having said this, I don't support the opposition, which will just be a US puppet like you said. Many countries have recognized the opposition leader as the president of Venezuela. I think I know where this is going; this has happened before in Nicaragua in the 80's. Another civil war funded by the US.
I don't understand why some people have to support a criminal system, just because the alternative is an imperialist brutal system. Both systems are corrupt and undemocratic. There is no need to support neither side.
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I don’t support either side.
My point is intervention will make it worse, and DC knows that.
And they are technically a democracy even if it’s not a functioning one.
But again, I’ve never been a supporter of Maduro or Chavez.
You two appear to be in agreement - you don't like either side.
The question is ..... exactly who do you "like"??
Who is it that you think should be in charge in Venezuela?
You two appear to be in agreement - you don't like either side.
The question is ..... exactly who do you "like"??
Who is it that you think should be in charge in Venezuela?
The ideal would a democratic government take charge without foreign interference. A government that would deliver the people's demands. They have all the resources they need. Instead they are put in the situation in which they have to choose between an American puppet or a dictator who destroys the economy.
There is no third choice, either be a neo-colony to provide oil and natural resources for the US, and maintain wages low to prevent them from development. Or have a dictatorship that is going to get sanctions and is so deep in corruption that makes life impossible. People shouldn't have to choose the lesser of two evils.
At the root of all of this is the problem nobody dare mention: that there's no fair relations in trade/finances at the international level and plenty of double standards, and that lead to the current situation (threatening an invasion or civil war). Like I said before, the US is the king of double standards when it comes to foreign interference/democracy and the economy in general.
Here are some examples of double standards by the US:
Nafta:
-US subsidizes corn destroys corn farmers in Mexico. Just let them die or cross the border.
-US producers lose to some Mexicans products like tomato and sugar. That O.K. the government will give them billions of dollars so they can continue in business.
So much for "free" trade.
Democracy (this one should be obvious):
-Coups and invasions of dozens of countries -Supports government that steal elections; Honduras the best example of these two in recent years. A coup in 2009, rigged elections in 2018. Very good relations with the US.
-condemns governments in Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc. for not being democratic.
Human rights:
-support for Saudi Arabia's wars and terrorism.
-condemns lack of freedom of speech, and persecution of minorities in other countries.
Intelligence:
-Accuses China of spying without evidence.
-Plenty of evidence that the US spies domestically and on allies.
There are two set of standards for economic and political policies. The ones rich countries follow, and the ones poor countries are forced to follow. If they refuse they get sanctions, and war. Usually one after the other.
My point is intervention will make it worse, and DC knows that.
And they are technically a democracy even if it’s not a functioning one.
But again, I’ve never been a supporter of Maduro or Chavez.
I agree 100%. It IS a problem but its not OUR problem. Let the other South American countries or the military or the people in Venezuela deal with this.
The ideal would a democratic government take charge without foreign interference. A government that would deliver the people's demands. They have all the resources they need. Instead they are put in the situation in which they have to choose between an American puppet or a dictator who destroys the economy.
There is no third choice, either be a neo-colony to provide oil and natural resources for the US, and maintain wages low to prevent them from development. Or have a dictatorship that is going to get sanctions and is so deep in corruption that makes life impossible. People shouldn't have to choose the lesser of two evils.
At the root of all of this is the problem nobody dare mention: that there's no fair relations in trade/finances at the international level and plenty of double standards, and that lead to the current situation (threatening an invasion or civil war). Like I said before, the US is the king of double standards when it comes to foreign interference/democracy and the economy in general.
The people of Venezuela have no chance here. The army and police is siding with Maduro (power and corruption comes to mind) and socialist/communist states like Cuba, Iran and China are supporting him. It's very similar to Syria actually.
I'm not advocating a US invasion, but the people of Venezuela need military assistance. Probably a combined effort from bordering countries with US support would be the best solution.
Actually when we invade, and KEEP something it seems to go better. So if we made then a new US state it might work well.
This might be a good time to remember what happened in Korea. There was a point during the Korean War when South Korean President Rhee wanted to invade the North and take it. The head of UN forces Mark Clark (an American) was on board, and so was Secretary of State Dulles. But President Eisenhower vetoed the idea. He has seen so much suffering from war that he was practically a pacifist.
If Ike had to take action overseas he preferred to either use the CIA (e.g. Iran) or economic leverage.
Sometimes inaction might save us from getting enmeshed in a nightmare (e.g. Iraq), but sometimes inaction leads to a 70 year nightmare like North Korea.
The US and president Trump have no right or domain over Venezuela, Maduro, etc. They can go pound sand, but if they invade, the rest of the World should put sanctions on the USA.
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