Why do so many people hate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by ncguy50

1. She's a socialist.
2. She cant answer basic questions about the economic impact of her platform positions. You just pay for it doesn't cut it.
3. She has stated a desire to use climate change as a platform for redistributive and social justice.
4. She wants to tax the wealthy at 70%
5. She thinks the world is over in 12 years.
6. She's a socialist and pretty dim in my book.

Do you understand how marginal tax rates work?

[Redshadowz]

She is a true-believer, and I have far more respect for true-believers than politicians. I think she has a gut-instinct that something is wrong with the system, and she wants to make it better.


The problem is, she doesn't know anything. And as Reagan said, a lot of what liberals know, ain't actually so.

If your world-view isn't based in reality. If you don't understand how anything works. And especially if you deny human-nature itself, then you can't fix anything.


While I respect true-believers, they are also the most-dangerous.


As C.S. Lewis wrote...

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."

[tripleh]

I dont hate her at all. The reasons she got elected is shes attractive and says a bunch of absolutely crazy stuff.
I hope she continues to get plenty of medias attention and continues to say crazy stuff.
The freak show she is putting on is quite entertaining, but her credibility is basically 0.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Ocasio-Cortez is a Social Democrat, not a socialist

1. democratic socialism is still socialism, or you might be able to call it socialism lite, aka fascism....
social democracy is a self-proclaimed international revolutionary socialist party, aiming to abolish capitalism by any means necessary -- including the ballot box.


Thus electioneering results in the fight being carried out by means of leaders, in which the masses can play but a minor role. In practice it means a handful of individuals, the representatives, carry on the struggle on behalf of the masses. It can only lead to the illusion that others can do the fighting for us - regardless of the wishes of the leaders in question. Once radicals are elected the whole focal point of struggle changes. Rather than direct struggle against the state and the boss, this is no longer needed as the elected representatives will act or people will think they will act and so not act themselves. They have elected someone to fight for them and so do not need to fight themselves. If radicals are elected to fight for people, can we be surprised if people do not act themselves? The notion that reforms (indeed, the revolution) would be the work of leaders acting on behalf of the masses soon followed, with the masses reduced to voters and followers, not active participants in the struggle.

Moreover, socialist support for electioneering is somewhat at odds with their claims of being in favour of collective, mass action. There is nothing more isolated, atomized and individualistic than voting. It is the total opposite of collective struggle. The individual is alone before, during and after the act of voting. Unlike direct action, which, by its very nature, throws up new forms of organization in order to manage and co-ordinate the struggle, voting creates no alternative organs of working class self-management. Nor can it. It is not based on, nor does it create, collective action or organization. Given that socialists often slander anarchists as "individualists" the irony is delicious!

you do realize that socialism, social democracy, communism, nazisism, and fascism are all part of the same family.

look at the kinship between communism, fascism, and liberalism. All derive from the same tradition that goes back to the Jacobins of the French Revolution. His revised political spectrum would focus on the role of the state and go from libertarianism to conservatism to fascism in its many guises – American, Italian, German, Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and so on.
As this listing suggests, fascism is flexible; different iterations differ in specifics but they share "emotional or instinctual impulses." Mussolini tweaked the socialist agenda to emphasize the state; Lenin made workers the vanguard party; Hitler added race. If the German version was militaristic, the American one which could be called liberal fascism is nearly pacifist.

The Social Democrats, USA is the same Socialist Party of America as is has been since August 1, 1901, an is LEFT WING. Social Democratic Party was originally founded June 11, 1898 as a direct political offshoot of the communalist Social Democracy of America (Labor Day Message of 1897 by Eugene Victor Debs). After a merger with the Socialist Party of America (1901) the party remained essentially the same although the named varied a few times. From 1900 (before its formal union) to 1912, the Socialist Party ran Eugene Debs for President at each election. The best showing ever for a Socialist ticket was in 1912, when Debs gained 901,551 total votes, or 6% of the popular vote. we are the party of Eugene Debs, Mother Jones, Helen Keller, Carl Sandburg, Norman Thomas, A. Philip Randolph, Bayard Rustin.


2. her ""plans"" for the economy will hurt everyone, especially the poor

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I'm one of those worker's you praise, and I support AOC and would vote her for president in 2028 (earliest she'd be eligible)

then you are a fool..