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Old 01-31-2019, 11:58 AM
 
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Again, anecdotal examples that are rare instances don't negate the general validity of the concept.

It's like the argument that some people used to use against wearing seat belts, that because they knew someone who knew someone who's life was saved when they were thrown from a burning car because they weren't wearing a seatbelt.....
But....what do your anecdotes have to do with the fact that unintended pregnancies happen to other people even though it has not happened to you? It's not hard to avoid slicing your finger when cutting a bagel--I've never done it--yet people end up in the ER with this specific injury. So?

 
Old 01-31-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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Touchy-touchy

Sorry but you are being contradictory I'm some of your statements.....so not sorry really
I haven't contradicted myself. I am entirely consistent. Which I cannot say for you. The entire argument that abortion is okay sometimes, but not at other times is inconsistent. More than that, your inability to grasp the facts regarding these laws, and what viability means, makes any criticisms of others' arguments tenuous at best.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 12:26 PM
 
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Liberals and the abortion industry, with their push to legalize free abortion up until dilation are assuring that we in the life movement will double down for certain now. Bring on Amy!
 
Old 01-31-2019, 12:27 PM
 
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Again, anecdotal examples that are rare instances don't negate the general validity of the concept.

It's like the argument that some people used to use against wearing seat belts, that because they knew someone who knew someone who's life was saved when they were thrown from a burning car because they weren't wearing a seatbelt.....
It's not like the seat belt argument at all, except in your twisted version of reality.

The FACT is that birth control, even sterilization, doesn't always work. And your assumptions about people who have unplanned pregnancies based on your insistence that birth control failure doesn't matter makes those assumptions wrong.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 12:28 PM
 
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Liberals and the abortion industry, with their push to legalize free abortion up until dilation are assuring that we in the life movement will double down for certain now. Bring on Amy!
Abortion isn't free. It's actually pretty expensive. I realize that contradicts one of the "life movement"'s talking points, but FACTS often contradict those talking points.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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Abortion isn't free. It's actually pretty expensive. I realize that contradicts one of the "life movement"'s talking points, but FACTS often contradict those talking points.
Just as nothing is free is it? However, the left is pushing not only to make abortion legal up until dilation but also force taxpayers to pay for it. Surely, you've not been living under a rock have you?
 
Old 01-31-2019, 12:39 PM
 
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Abortion isn't free. It's actually pretty expensive. I realize that contradicts one of the "life movement"'s talking points, but FACTS often contradict those talking points.
It could be made less costly from a time and complication standpoint, with the use of specialised pills like the RU486, but even the so-called "pro-lifers" are against that....because it would partially negate some of their tactics.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 12:41 PM
 
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Just as nothing is free is it? However, the left is pushing not only to make abortion legal up until dilation but also force taxpayers to pay for it. Surely, you've not been living under a rock have you?
How are they trying to force taxpayers to pay for it? Please cite an actual proposed law that has a chance of passing.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 12:43 PM
 
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It could be made less costly from a time and complication standpoint, with the use of specialised pills like the RU486, but even the so-called "pro-lifers" are against that....because it would partially negate some of their tactics.
ALL their tactics rest on the premise that women are too immoral, too irresponsible or too stupid to be trusted with decisions about their own bodies. Every argument is based on this premise.
 
Old 01-31-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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Here's the thing. You leftwingers view everything as a political calculation. We conservatives do not view abortion that way. We want it made illegal because it is the absolute RIGHT thing to do. Although I think it's also a great move politically, that is irrelevant.
Interestingly, though, for many "conservatives" restricting access to birth control is the "right thing". Reducing any leg up programs so that kids don't live in poverty is the "right thing".

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."

Sister Joan Chittister
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