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Unions rake in billions (mostly from dues) and are extremely political. They have become big business.
Many unions do not have recertification votes for 20 or more years. Many unions do not allow private ballots on recertification votes so you can be "influenced" to vote the "correct" way.
Some unions including public unions own their own health insurance provider. They then use their power to create a monopoly whereby the employer (often the school --> government) is forced to only use their service. They then overcharge for their product ripping off the taxpayer. Their health insurance provider can claim non-profit status as they pay high wages and donate leftovers to politicians (democrats).
Unions should start paying their fair share including public unions.
Furthermore, union dues are exempted from federal taxes and many state taxes on household income taxes. So it is a double whammy of special interest subsidies!!!
This isn't even an extreme position, FDR thought that public unions shouldn't have the right to exist - all I am asking is that they pay their fair share.
Yep...as soon as we put that corporate tax back up to 35%.
Don't be deliberately obtuse. Corporate taxes, as everyone should know, are paid by the end users: the consumers of corporations' products and services, as taxes are figured into the pricing formula as an overhead expense.
It's not a big deal anymore because Gov Walker broke the teachers union's iron-clad grip on their grifting insurance scam that cost WI taxpayers an unnecessary extra $100 million/year.
You are the poster who had zero clue that it was happening in Wisconsin and doubted it.
You are being clueless again.
This type of union owned health care monopoly swindling happens all over the country. The Democrats are all too eager to look the other way as some of it comes back to them as campaign contributions.
It will possibly even happen again in Wisconsin when the Democrats take total control there.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Don't be deliberately obtuse. Corporate taxes, as everyone should know, are paid by the end users: the consumers of corporations' products and services, as taxes are figured into the pricing formula as an overhead expense.
In a different case...wouldn't the special subsidies and tax privileges to labor unions and to union members' dues come from the tax payers...and add to our staggering debt?
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Originally Posted by Mr.Retired
Sounds like a case of sour grapes.............................
Sounds like you can't articulate an intelligent response to any of my points. Your post reconfirms my correctness in my position. Thank you!
You are the poster who had zero clue that it was happening in Wisconsin and doubted it.
You are being clueless again.
This type of union owned health care monopoly swindling happens all over the country. The Democrats are all too eager to look the other way as some of it comes back to them as campaign contributions.
It will possibly even happen again in Wisconsin when the Democrats take total control there.
In a different case...wouldn't the special subsidies and tax privileges to labor unions and to union members' dues come from the tax payers...and add to our staggering debt?
Sounds like you can't articulate an intelligent response to any of my points. Your post reconfirms my correctness in my position. Thank you!
Sounds like you want to start a thread and attack anyone who disagrees with you
Sounds like you want to start a thread and attack anyone who disagrees with you
I am sorry if I am too blunt.
However, you denied the reality of union owned health insurance providers granted a monopoly that then overcharge the tax payers....you most likely denied this, because it is bad...seems too bad to be true.
When presented with facts you make a second assumption that the WEA (Wisconsin's teachers' union) is the only place this happens...and then say old news...no big deal....time to stop "carrying on."
When it is pointed out that there are other examples of this all over the country....you dodge...
Sounds like you want to make false assumptions and then ignore the need for reform when proven wrong, because it doesn't fit your preferred political team. That is not good. Sorry if pointing out your false assumptions and dodges is an attack.
Your disagreement was 100% factually incorrect...so...I'll try to be nicer, but you should try to adhere to reality and then admit that there is a problem if you can't stay in reality to dispute the position.
Any discussion of unions needs to carefully distinguish between public and private sector. They are two entirely different kettles of fish. Public sector is essentially a kickback scheme that would be unethical and probably illegal in other contexts.
Public sector unions ultimately are dealing with elected politicians--the same politicians whom the union assiduously worked to get in office. Private sector unions have to negotiate with company mgmt., and therefore meet somewhere in the middle.
This is why the SCOTUS Janus ruling applied only to public sector unions.
As OP has pointed out (IIRC) FDR, who brought forth most of the major union legislation we still operate under, was adamantly opposed to public sector unionism.
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Corporate taxes, as everyone should know, are paid by the end users: the consumers of corporations' products and services, as taxes are figured into the pricing formula as an overhead expense.
