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Old 01-29-2019, 04:53 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Fox news seems to worry about the strangest things. This time they huff and they puff that a House committee will remove the words: "So help me god" from an oath. Amazing, when there are actual important things to discuss in today's world, they get on a rant for this?

Why?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...bjlym2aA0XLRTE
This is the kind of stuff Trump voters care about. Why wouldn't the promote it? Trump's base needs stories like this to fuel their rage and hate.
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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Fox news seems to worry about the strangest things. This time they huff and they puff that a House committee will remove the words: "So help me god" from an oath. Amazing, when there are actual important things to discuss in today's world, they get on a rant for this?

Why?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...bjlym2aA0XLRTE

LOL Why are you obsessed with Fox News?

On the other hand, thanks for helping to dispel the left's cockeyed notion that, because the dinosaur networks don't report something, it didn't happen.
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Fox news seems to worry about the strangest things. This time they huff and they puff that a House committee will remove the words: "So help me god" from an oath. Amazing, when there are actual important things to discuss in today's world, they get on a rant for this?

Why?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...bjlym2aA0XLRTE
Given all the actual important things to address in our country, why would the House committee waste time on something like this?
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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If it's not important, WHY bother to say it?
Why be concerned if some do ?

I'm a heathen and ask why bother at all if its benign.
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:57 PM
 
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Heathens in the House.
What did anyone expect they would do ? Get some religion. Not likely.
America must be transformed say the Dems. They will back anything that does it.
Religion, family, socialism, etc...…
No institution or industry is safe from democrats on a mission.
I doubt the reference to God was in the original oath, but it doesn't really matter. Many of the founding fathers were Deists. We do not have establishment of religion here for very good reasons. It has worked and our nation is stronger because of that.

If the person taking the oath does not believe in the Judeo-Christian concept of God it would be meaningless blather. The person could be a Buddhist for example, or an atheist, or even a pagan. Swearing to a God they do not recognize as real makes a mockery of the oath. Personally I would not want a non-believer making an oath that way and I firmly believe in the separation of church and state.
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:59 PM
 
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Interesting that William Fox, the network's namesake, was a Hungarian Jew who later became a religious Jew.
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Old 01-29-2019, 05:04 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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From a Christian theological standpoint, the phrase "so help me God" could be viewed as contrary to the Gospel of Matthew 5:33-37, which says that swearing an oath shouldn't be done. Quakers and Mennonites take this literally while other Christian religions may be taking the stance that "it's always been done this way", and breaking tradition is blasphemous, whether that tradition is actually based around God's law or not.

Not including the phrase in an oath isn't biblically doing anything to say the oath taker or giver doesn't believe in God. And some interpretations may even say that not including it is keeping God's name holy by not trying to intermingle it into a political function.

With that said, I'm not sure that this is the motive the proposers of this action have in mind.

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Old 01-29-2019, 07:58 PM
 
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Heathens in the House.
What did anyone expect they would do ? Get some religion. Not likely.
America must be transformed say the Dems. They will back anything that does it.
Religion, family, socialism, etc...…
No institution or industry is safe from democrats on a mission.
The Constitution does not include any words about a god in the oath of office of the POTUS. If it doesn't, why should any other oath include them?

What about those that don't believe in a god? Why should they have to say those words, which would be false?
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Old 01-29-2019, 07:59 PM
 
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Like what, killing full term babies.
You are well aware that is an exaggeration, but you will always use it to make an irrelevant point. Oh well...
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Old 01-29-2019, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The Constitution does not include any words about a god in the oath of office of the POTUS. If it doesn't, why should any other oath include them?

What about those that don't believe in a god? Why should they have to say those words, which would be false?


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed


https://www.archives.gov/founding-do...ion-transcript


Seems pretty fundamental to me.
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