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View Poll Results: Will the Democrats extreme position on Abortion hurt or help them in 2020?
Help 7 8.86%
Hurt 47 59.49%
No difference 25 31.65%
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-06-2019, 02:15 PM
 
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Listen to the Governor himself...
https://wise-silence.com/democrat-go...r-infanticide/
Or you can listen to the woman who sponsored the bill...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMFzZ5I30dg
Or you can actually read what the bill says.
Third trimester is anytime after 24 weeks. The bill does not change the definition of third trimester. The law already allows abortion in the third trimester where the mothers life is at risk and/or the fetus is not viable. So the law does not challenge, repeal or redefine the already enacted law. Acknowledging what constitutes third trimester and what is allowable under current law is not the same as introducing legislation in a new proposed bill.

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Old 02-06-2019, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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At least they are finally being honest about their platform: Tax the shi$ out of people, kill babies and give away more free stuff.

What a platform!!!!!!!! Embarrassing isn't it?
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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Listen to the Governor himself...
https://wise-silence.com/democrat-go...r-infanticide/
Or you can listen to the woman who sponsored the bill...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMFzZ5I30dg
The sponsor of the bill is not a doctor the people who should be answering hypothetical questions like the ones being asked are a doctor.

As to a woman’s individual mental health and how she deals with it is her private business. Like men women are allowed privacy We regulate abortion as much as possible. Trump called basically for an end to abortion in his state of the union. Try regulating gun ownership as much as you do a woman’s uterus and you see how far that gets ya. Abortion crosses all political lines, all religious lines. Limiting the access to safe abortion does nothing but put women’s lives at danger.
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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You do realize that they have their own heartbeat and circulatory system, that pumps their own blood separate from the woman as early as 24 days after conception.

You do realize that even though babies are normally in the womb for 9 months, they can survive if they are born early - even at two or three months.

You kill a life when performing an abortion.
No 8 to 12 week fetus has survived that I know of. There is only a 20% to 30% chance of survival at 22 weeks.
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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Have the Democrats reached a tipping point. Will their "coming out" on where they are on Abortion create a renewed uprising of the pro life movement for 2020?
https://wise-silence.com/democrat-go...r-infanticide/
I don't know any Dems who are in favor of infanticide. Not sure what you're talking about here. The VA bill didn't pass.
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Because I believe medical decisions should be left up to medical professionals that translates into me supporting infanticide?

Yeah, okay, whatever makes you feel superior, even if it is based on manufactured nonsense.

Tell you what, next time you have a serious medical condition, come to me and I'll tell you what you have to do. No need for you to consult a doctor, since you deem them unnecessary in making complicated medical decisions.

How ridiculous.

The ridiculous part is the above.
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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So you support infanticide? Kermit Gosnell must be your idol.

The fact is the law and the courts have been stepping in on those decisions of homicide for hundreds of years and the killing of a baby after birth is homicide, plain and simple.

And if the parent and doctor agree with the decision to end a life of a baby after birth then it would be first degree murder.
Who said he/she supports infanticide? See, this is how misinformation spreads. Really. You should put a check on that.

Gosnell was a murderer. And he was prosecuted for it too. I don't know any of doctors or parents who want to kill a viable live baby. You are right. It would be murder.
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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No 8 to 12 week fetus has survived that I know of. There is only a 20% to 30% chance of survival at 22 weeks.
You are correct. 21 weeks is the earliest I could find.

I obviously got that confused, because I wasn't even close. Terrible on my part...
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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And that is where we stand now.

Why people believe abortions are performed up to the day of delivery, or even better post delivery, for any reason is giving me a big headache. . I am apparently making enemies on my FB. Friends, educated and intelligent ones, are posting this nonsense, I post the verbiage of the actual bills (NY and Virginia), and they continue to post the nonsense.

I would really like someone to show me where any bill says that. I would like them show me where any woman had an abortion at delivery just because she wanted one. I would like them to admit its BS.
We are saying it because new and proposed laws are saying abortion up until birth for any reason. That is what is proposed in my State (Vermont). What is proposed here goes further than what they just signed into law in NY and was proposed in VA. Abortion at any time for any reason, no restrictions. I grant it is the rare woman who would abort a healthy baby while in labor but the fact that she'd legally be able to is the problem. If its not going to happen then there shouldn't be a problem with saying it isn't allowed, yet they don't want to have any restrictions. It is infanticide plain and simple to abort babies that a few minutes later would be breathing on their own. I don't care if it would be extremely rare. It should never happen. Abortion is one thing. Infanticide is another.
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Old 02-06-2019, 02:56 PM
 
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We are saying it because new and proposed laws are saying abortion up until birth for any reason. That is what is proposed in my State (Vermont). What is proposed here goes further than what they just signed into law in NY and was proposed in VA. Abortion at any time for any reason, no restrictions. I grant it is the rare woman who would abort a healthy baby while in labor but the fact that she'd legally be able to is the problem. If its not going to happen then there shouldn't be a problem with saying it isn't allowed, yet they don't want to have any restrictions. It is infanticide plain and simple to abort babies that a few minutes later would be breathing on their own. I don't care if it would be extremely rare. It should never happen. Abortion is one thing. Infanticide is another.
Post me a link to the bill that calls for abortion at any time for any reason. I have read the NY bill and the Virginia bill. It dosent say that, at all. I have not read a similar for Vermont.
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