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Old 02-05-2019, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Fascism was the brainchild of Benito Mussolini, who coined the word, and founded the world's first fascist nation (Italy) in 1922. It is often forgotten that there was considerable cross-pollination of fascist thought between America and Europe. In the early 20s and 30s, 'fascist' was not the synonym for 'horrible,' which it was to become. It was considered by many a novel, promising ideology. The 18th and 19th centuries were an era of new ideologies.

There developed a mutual admiration society between Mussolini and President Franklin Roosevelt. FDR established contact with Mussolini before inauguration. In 1933 he told a journalist, "I don't mind telling you that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman."

At the same time, Mussolini wrote a fawning review of FDR's book Looking Forward that was released in March, 1933.

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The question is often asked in America and in Europe just how much Fascism the American president's program contains.
Mussolini answered his own question:"without question the mood accompanying this sea change [the New Deal] resembles that of Fascism."

FDR sent his top economic advisor, former Columbia U prof Rex Tugwell, to Italy to examine fascism in person. Tugwell, arguably the chief architect of the New Deal, reported back "It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen."

None of this is to besmirch FDR, who later led the world in the smashing of German and Italian fascism in WWII. It is just to say that we must guard against a repetition of history, and a naïve embrace of failed ideology.

But to do that, first we have to know what fascism is....
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:07 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Fascism was the brainchild of Benito Mussolini, who coined the word, and founded the world's first fascist nation (Italy) in 1922. It is often forgotten that there was considerable cross-pollination of fascist thought between America and Europe. In the early 20s and 30s, 'fascist' was not the synonym for 'horrible,' which it was to become. It was considered by many a novel, promising ideology. The 18th and 19th centuries were an era of new ideologies.

There developed a mutual admiration society between Mussolini and President Franklin Roosevelt. FDR established contact with Mussolini before inauguration. In 1933 he told a journalist, "I don't mind telling you that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman."

At the same time, Mussolini wrote a fawning review of FDR's book Looking Forward that was released in March, 1933.

Mussolini answered his own question:"without question the mood accompanying this sea change [the New Deal] resembles that of Fascism."

FDR sent his top economic advisor, former Columbia U prof Rex Tugwell, to Italy to examine fascism in person. Tugwell, arguably the chief architect of the New Deal, reported back "It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen."

None of this is to besmirch FDR, who later led the world in the smashing of German and Italian fascism in WWII. It is just to say that we must guard against a repetition of history, and a naïve embrace of failed ideology.

But to do that, first we have to know what fascism is....

...what fascism is...

Johah Goldberg is an editor at the National Review. “Democrats used to like to be called Liberals.”
Today, it’s Progressive. What does Progressive mean? Social engineering, social control.
U.S. : Progressivism
USSR: Communism
Italy: Fascism

Fascism, socialism, communism, progressivism, all filthy words.
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:07 PM
 
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Fascism knocking at the White House door now, right. And Trump's ready to let it in.

Did you see my post about this TV program, that has a great chapter on Mussolini? Might interest you.

Anyone watching "The Dictator's Playbook"?
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:13 PM
 
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fascism is simply the marriage between the state and the corporation..as i understand it Mussolini also said his fascism could also be called corporatism...


FDR is my favorite president by far but as harry Truman observed FDR did NOT have a real friend and he lied constantly..nothing FDR said would surprise me....


corporatism has been the goal of big business in this country for years but left unspoken
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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Lightbulb Fascism at the White House door

It's already through the door.

History may not repeat itself. But it rhymes.

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Old 02-05-2019, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Fascism knocking at the White House door now, right. And Trump's ready to let it in.

Did you see my post about this TV program, that has a great chapter on Mussolini? Might interest you.

Anyone watching "The Dictator's Playbook"?
Thanks for link; I will definitely check it out later when I have more time.

Trump's policies are arguably often the other end of the spectrum from fascism. To wit his record pace of deregulation.

Fascism as envisioned by Mussolini was to allow private ownership of industry (unlike socialism) but with heavy regulation thereof. He set up a 'National Council of Corporations,' which not only regulated but micromanaged by, for example, setting production goals for corporations.

What policies of Trump do you see as reflecting this kind of thing?
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Fascism knocking at the White House door now, right. And Trump's ready to let it in.

Did you see my post about this TV program, that has a great chapter on Mussolini? Might interest you.
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Fascism as envisioned by Mussolini was to allow private ownership of industry (unlike socialism) but with heavy regulation thereof. He set up a 'National Council of Corporations,' which not only regulated but micromanaged by, for example, setting production goals for corporations.

What policies of Trump do you see as reflecting this kind of thing?
So I take it the answer is none? I'm surprised that not one of the several dozen anti-Trump posters on CD is willing or able to address this simple question....
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Old 02-09-2019, 04:53 PM
 
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Thanks for link; I will definitely check it out later when I have more time.

Trump's policies are arguably often the other end of the spectrum from fascism. To wit his record pace of deregulation.

Fascism as envisioned by Mussolini was to allow private ownership of industry (unlike socialism) but with heavy regulation thereof. He set up a 'National Council of Corporations,' which not only regulated but micromanaged by, for example, setting production goals for corporations. What policies of Trump do you see as reflecting this kind of thing?
First, just so you know, "The Dictator's Playbook" is still continuing as a weekly series on PBS. (Actually, I think it's twice weekly, because they usually will re-broadcast a second time.) They've all been really good.

It seems to me that de-regulation would fit nicely in with right-wing fascism, because the goal is to help business, which I think is a basic tenet of fascism.
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Old 02-09-2019, 05:22 PM
 
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First, just so you know, "The Dictator's Playbook" is still continuing as a weekly series on PBS. (Actually, I think it's twice weekly, because they usually will re-broadcast a second time.) They've all been really good.

It seems to me that de-regulation would fit nicely in with right-wing fascism, because the goal is to help business, which I think is a basic tenet of fascism.
I'm seeing that for some no amount of education can work. They will flip the script 180 to get what they want or to prove their preconceived notions.

Oh look.... its a pancake !!! Time to flip it !!!!

"allow private ownership of industry (unlike socialism) but with heavy regulation thereof"

Can we just call that de-regulation ? Yes, yes we can but its a lie. What a detail !!!
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I'm seeing that for some no amount of education can work. They will flip the script 180 to get what they want or to prove their preconceived notions.

Oh look.... its a pancake !!! Time to flip it !!!!

"allow private ownership of industry (unlike socialism) but with heavy regulation thereof"

Can we just call that de-regulation ? Yes, yes we can but its a lie. What a detail !!!
Just ran across this quote from Mussolini, who again, coined the word 'fascism.' If anyone can supply a correct definition of fascism, it would be he.
https://www.cato.org/publications/co...lini-roosevelt

Mussolini once wrote: "Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices...." This is a simple and succinct definition from the horse's mouth.

From this definition we can see that Trump does have traces of fascist policy. For example, he supported re-authorization of the Exim bank, which fits the definition to a 'T.'

But at the same time it must be noted that Trump is FAR LESS supportive of fascist policy than previous admins, in particular the Obama admin. Compared to the Obama era with all of its 'czars,' its takeover of GM, passage of the ACA, etc., Trump is virtually the 'antifa' president.
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