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Old 02-13-2019, 07:07 PM
 
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You take joy in putting people out of jobs and on the streets? That seems pretty sick to me....
Business leaders are sick, I was reading a paper that narcissism sociopathy and phyopathy are concentrated in the executive levels of business. They are basically as viscous and nasty as mafia, they just do it with a smile and let the police state do their dirty work when someone acts out against them because of their treachery.

The american people have no recourse against mega corporations, you just take your pink slip and deal with it.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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Again, if you're ever out west, go to In N Out Burger and you'll see the other side of the story. They work fast, they work efficient and don't screw up orders
I did go there and it almost upset me that they were doing that well. They are making near minimum wage and giving output that is probably close to 30/hr for the owner.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:34 PM
 
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Does anyone know how to generate graphs on the dept of labor web site to show what percentage of americans in the work force are making $18/hr or less at 40 hours a week

Is there a way to sort over 18 under 18 and then sort by part time full time while keeping the hourly dollar amount in the sort?

I was reading an article that stated over half of americans in the work force are making at or under $18/hr which I would constitute as a McJob.

People like to tout all this jobs growth but then people get offended (someone at work got upset when I said we should be teaching kids to avoid McJobs at all costs once they pass 20 years old even if they have to live at home or in a van and work on building skills and get an education).

Should americans take a stand against the McJob economy and families pull together and tell crap companies to take a hike we are not working here. Or if you dont have family just opt to live out of your car and be homeless instead of working like a slave in a McJob.

If it is in fact true that over half of working americans are making less than 18 hr then we truely are one of the dumbest populations on earth if we keep voting GOP.

BUT I dont know if it is true ....
Republicans keep healthcare tied to employer/employment as leverage over everyone from the upper middle class down....

That is the real reason Republicans fight so hard to stop universal coverage...

When your healthcare is secure you can walk off the site, demand fair terms without worrying as muchabout your spouse/kids/mom..

Healthcare, is just one of their weapons.
Employment at will.
Weak social benefits..
Education costs..

It is all about cheap, compliant workers.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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Article in the NYT about this topic:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/04/b...ity-wages.html

"Automation is splitting the American labor force into two worlds. There is a small island of highly educated professionals making good wages at corporations like Intel or Boeing, which reap hundreds of thousands of dollars in profit per employee. That island sits in the middle of a sea of less educated workers who are stuck at businesses like hotels, restaurants and nursing homes that generate much smaller profits per employee and stay viable primarily by keeping wages low."

To get that higher paid job such as Engineer or Executive, one must become very well educated.
Kind of ironic that they mention Boeing-a huge company with a great many very well paid "blue collar" jobs. It's been quite some time since I looked in detail-but blue-collar shop workers there made nearly what their engineers do, and with overtime can often make more. GM was similar (I worked there)-production made not much less than engineering wages, skilled trades were comparable-and unlike salaried employees-were paid overtime, often resulting with bigger take-home wages.

If you don't like the wages paid flipping burgers or making beds-get some skills and take on something more demanding.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Have you ever been to In N Out Burger? Exact opposite experience of what you're describing. They have impeccable service
I have and it is good. So is Raizin Cain's.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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what drives them to McJobs is not having the practical and useful skills to be able to earn more or do better.
Something that would set them apart from the 200 other slack jawed applicants that show up....
and allow them to not even have to consider the McJob category whatsoever.


Anecdote: 24yo College grad who can't do better than be a SBUX barista at $8/hr whines
while preparing the latte for the 19yo electrician apprentice earning $18/hr + benefits.
Even here in Idaho an apprentice electrician makes more than $18 an hour. My nephew just got his journeyman's papers-as an apprentice he was in the mid $20 an hour range. I'd guess those in higher COL areas do considerably better. But let's face it, it's a whole lot harder than being a Starbucks barista. Both physically, but also intellectually. My nephew was saying a lot dropped out due to lack of willingness to actually work.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Republicans keep healthcare tied to employer/employment as leverage over everyone from the upper middle class down....

That is the real reason Republicans fight so hard to stop universal coverage...

When your healthcare is secure you can walk off the site, demand fair terms without worrying as muchabout your spouse/kids/mom..

Healthcare, is just one of their weapons.
Employment at will.
Weak social benefits.
Education costs..

It is all about cheap, compliant workers.
Universal healthcare would require a massive raise in the rate of the government's selective theft. Yet, you're arguing in support of UH in a thread about people not making "enough" money.

Nowhere in the Constitution is healthcare delineated as a federal responsibility. The best thing that could happen for the price of healthcare is for the government to get their nose out of it.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Again, if you're ever out west, go to In N Out Burger and you'll see the other side of the story. They work fast, they work efficient and don't screw up orders
I've been there. Again, that doesn't change the argument. In N Out is an exception to the rule when it comes to fast food.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:49 PM
 
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Republicans keep healthcare tied to employer/employment as leverage over everyone from the upper middle class down....

That is the real reason Republicans fight so hard to stop universal coverage...

When your healthcare is secure you can walk off the site, demand fair terms without worrying as muchabout your spouse/kids/mom..

Healthcare, is just one of their weapons.
Employment at will.
Weak social benefits..
Education costs..

It is all about cheap, compliant workers.
This is all very true and at the root of the problem. Of course, the people debating you on these points are likely already the compliant workers or seeking to become them, so you are not going to get a lot of agreement from many.

It's the same reason Texas won't do E-Verify - the ADMITTED IT. The cost (they say not having cheap labor would be a "cost") would be in the billions of dollars. So they are happy (the GOP there) and they can use the lower wages to push down the wage of citizens also

"“E-Verify increases costs of doing business. More importantly, it would decrease access to workers.”

Research from the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas seems to support Jones’ second point.

The Dallas Fed in 2017 reported that “the numbers of unauthorized immigrants living and working in a state tend to fall after adoption of a universal E-Verify law compared with what those counts would have likely been without the requirement.”"

Well, that's fairly clear. The count would drop...wages would increase.

"Texas economist Ray Perryman in 2017 put the total net economic benefits of the state’s undocumented workforce at $290.3 billion in output (gross product) and 3.3 million jobs annually."

Uh, not exactly "a sideline under the table". This is perhaps the major economic force in Texas keeping wagers lower....

https://www.athensreview.com/news/mo...46afdbccb.html

People don't want to hear the truth. They simply cannot handle it. They will come back with "whatabout" or other such nonsense. But you laid it out just in case ONE person wished to hear it.
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Old 02-14-2019, 01:15 AM
 
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Universal healthcare would require a massive raise in the rate of the government's selective theft. Yet, you're arguing in support of UH in a thread about people not making "enough" money.

Nowhere in the Constitution is healthcare delineated as a federal responsibility. The best thing that could happen for the price of healthcare is for the government to get their nose out of it.
Neither are international airports, interstate highways ... so what’s your point?
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