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Old 02-06-2019, 04:20 AM
 
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Trumps STOU

What did you think?

He calls for unity. I would bet he propagates disunity within hours by disparaging someone else that disagrees with him in tweets.


It sounded like he is now holding the future of the US hostage over being investigated. e.g. If you don't stop investigating me, the US will fail.
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:27 AM
 
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I don't think he should of made that comment but he is right. If Mueller and his boatload of high priced lawyers who specialize in just about any illegal activity he might of been involved with do not come up with anything it's time to let it go already.
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:33 AM
 
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I don't think he should of made that comment but he is right. If Mueller and his boatload of high priced lawyers who specialize in just about any illegal activity he might of been involved with do not come up with anything it's time to let it go already.
That doesn’t make Trump right. You’re saying that the investigation should end if it doesn’t turn up anything. That’s generally how investigations work - you investigate until the trail ends.

What Trump said - and has been saying all along - is that Mueller should not have been allowed to investigate him at all.
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:50 AM
 
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That doesn’t make Trump right. You’re saying that the investigation should end if it doesn’t turn up anything. That’s generally how investigations work - you investigate until the trail ends.

What Trump said - and has been saying all along - is that Mueller should not have been allowed to investigate him at all.

I believe what Trump was referring to in his speech was the investigations being opened by the House. Mueller and his team of high priced lawyers who have the authority to investigate anything have been at it for two years. If the result of this investigation is that Trump has committed no crimes I think it's time to give it up. What are they going to do, open House investigations for the next two years?
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:52 AM
 
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That doesn’t make Trump right. You’re saying that the investigation should end if it doesn’t turn up anything. That’s generally how investigations work - you investigate until the trail ends.

What Trump said - and has been saying all along - is that Mueller should not have been allowed to investigate him at all.
The trail of evidence leads to Andrew McCabe's office where he and Peter Strzok concocted an "insurance policy" against a Trump victory.

If you don't acknowledge that, you are either uninformed or a coup supporter/sympathizer.
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Old 02-06-2019, 04:58 AM
 
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That doesn’t make Trump right. You’re saying that the investigation should end if it doesn’t turn up anything. That’s generally how investigations work - you investigate until the trail ends.

What Trump said - and has been saying all along - is that Mueller should not have been allowed to investigate him at all.

Trump is right about that also.
The motivation was political and a target to investigate selected, not a crime.
The same target was told more than once he wasn't the target of investigation. All of the nonsense could have been avoided if both parties were subject of investigation and prosecution.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:01 AM
 
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The trail of evidence leads to Andrew McCabe's office where he and Peter Strzok concocted an "insurance policy" against a Trump victory.

If you don't acknowledge that, you are either uninformed or a coup supporter/sympathizer.
You lost me at “concocted.” I have no doubt that people in the FBI don’t want Trump to be President. But Strzok didn’t fabricate all of the evidence that has led to numerous criminal convictions of people in Trump’s orbit. Those are bad people who did bad things, and Strzok didn’t hold a gun to their heads.

By way of analogy, Republicans went after Bill Clinton, and when they couldn’t make the original charges stick, they ran with perjury over a sex act. It was clearly politically motivated, but they didn’t force him to lie to Congress. He chose to do that, and he’s accountable for it.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:10 AM
 
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Nixon called for the same thing in his SOTU speech during the Watergate investigations.

It likely won't work out any better for Trump than it did for Nixon.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:10 AM
 
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But Strzok didn’t fabricate all of the evidence that has led to numerous criminal convictions of people in Trump’s orbit.

Those crimes have been after the fact (e.g. pejury) or unrelated to Trump (e.g. tax fraud). That doesn't justify them but Stone for example committed no crime prior to the investigation.


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By way of analogy, Republicans went after Bill Clinton, and when they couldn’t make the original charges stick, they ran with perjury over a sex act. It was clearly politically motivated, but they didn’t force him to lie to Congress. He chose to do that, and he’s accountable for it.
Clinton was being sued for sexual abuse. They were trying to establish a pattern of abuse and during a deposition while under oath he lied. This is fact by his own admission and it's a felony if a prosecutor wanted to pursue it. Ultimately he was disbarred and paid a hefty fine for it.
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Old 02-06-2019, 05:21 AM
 
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End the wars and I will care less what the investigations find.
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