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Old 02-10-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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I think that education and being a benevolent human being are two of the most important values in the Jewish culture.

People who deny that the Holocaust happened are either ignorant (brainwashed, confused) or evil (wish to destroy Jewish people).

I am a woman and I voted for Reagan in 1984 and Bernie in 2016.

I was married to a Cohen.
Thank you for your response, and for your answers. You are correct on all points.

Also,I was editing my post while you were likely writing yours. Did you see my edited version, in which I added the lists of traditional Jewish values? Here it is again, in case not....

http://www.jewishlens.org/wp-content...ish-values.pdf
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The act of questioning the details about the Holocaust is not listed in the OP as a sign of antisemitism.
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People who deny that the Holocaust happened are either ignorant (brainwashed, confused) or evil (wish to destroy Jewish people).
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My opinion is that people who believe that the Holocaust never happened have potentially nefarious motives and are probably anitsemitic. I stand by that.
I suppose it depends on our definitions of "holocaust" and "anti-semitic".

Does anti-semitic mean you want to "destroy Jewish people"? Or is anti-semitic just having any ill-feelings towards Judaism?


Does the holocaust mean the intentional extermination of the Jews? Or does the holocaust simply mean the persecution of the Jews? If I, like the people in the video I linked, claim that the Germans had no extermination-policy, am I a holocaust-denier?

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Old 02-10-2019, 07:56 AM
 
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Thank you for your response, and for your answers. You are correct on all points.

Also,I was editing my post while you were likely writing yours. Did you see my edited version, in which I added the lists of traditional Jewish values? Here it is again, in case not....

http://www.jewishlens.org/wp-content...ish-values.pdf
Thanks.
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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Does anti-semitic mean you want to "destroy Jewish people"? Or is anti-semitic just having any ill-feelings towards Judaism? Does the holocaust mean the intentional extermination of the Jews? Or does the holocaust simply mean the persecution of the Jews? If I, like the people in the video I linked, claim that the Germans had no extermination-policy, am I a holocaust-denier?
Definitions exist for these terms.

As for the question about your state of mind, only you know the answer.

What is your motivation in asking me these questions? You have expressed nothing but contempt towards me.

"The OP wasn't well-meaning. He started a thread to call people names by strawmanning them, and throwing out red-herrings and ad hominems."

"The root of "good" is "unselfish". All things which are good are unselfish. All things which are bad are selfish. For you to have had "good intentions", your intentions would need to have been selfless and noble. Your intentions were completely selfish. You only wrote the thread out of bitterness, and it was intended to control what other people think and say by calling people names. You weren't trying to engage people or educate them. It was to belittle and condemn them."


Why do you care what my opinion is?
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Definitions exist for these terms.
I want your definition because you are the one who started a thread to attack people for thought-crimes.

So please, will you answer the question I asked?
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:25 AM
 
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That's a 10 on the ol' passive-aggressive scale, don't ya think?
What's passive about pointing out the wrong when a non-Jew claims he is in a better position than a Jew to explain what the most important Jewish value is?

No....what's passive-aggressive is what you did to me.....say that I'm thinking like a Nazi. That's an 11 on the old passive-aggressive scale.
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:49 AM
 
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I want your definition because you are the one who started a thread to attack people for thought-crimes.

So please, will you answer the question I asked?
I will not be baited by your insolence.
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Old 02-10-2019, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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That's a 10 on the ol' passive-aggressive scale, don't ya think?
I could respond to this, but my reply would probably also be passive-aggressive, as you define it. I will say only this: you, too, have engaged rather frequently in rhetoric I would consider to be passive-aggressive in the extreme.
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:17 AM
 
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A quick search on Amazon yielded several books that contend the Nazi extermination of Jews never occurred or was severely overstated. One can purchase any of these books without the fear of being "attacked".
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:34 AM
 
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Holocaust denial is inarguably linked with Antisemitisim. Germans' record-keeping of their extermination "solution" was extremely thorough, and there are enough pages to fill 28,000 of linear shelves at an archive facility in Alexandria.

Denial of the Holocaust
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