Helpful list to determine whether you are an antisemite (self-check) (capitalist, religion)

[AguaDulce]

Originally Posted by MPowering1

I did. You answered by asking her what she'd like to know.

If you don't know the difference between starting a thread because you want to engage in a discussion and answering questions if asked, I don't know what to tell you.

I also answered her questions and made other relevant comments.

Sometimes being engaged in a discussion involves just listening.

[AguaDulce]

Your insistence that I have nefarious motivations for starting this thread are puzzling.

[whogo]

I will confess I occasionally use the term Jew them down. I guess that could be insensitive depending on the audience.

[Rachel976]

Originally Posted by AguaDulce

Your insistence that I have nefarious motivations for starting this thread are puzzling.

Yeah, I don't get it either. There are a few posters on this thread who are using the topic to criticize Jews (via false stereotypes) or push antisemititc viewpoints. You are decidedly not one of them.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by AguaDulce

I also answered her questions and made other relevant comments.

Sometimes being engaged in a discussion involves just listening.

THAT is the biggest problem in forums. People are much less likely to be engaged in dialogue preferring to type out their thoughts (rational and otherwise) rather than contemplating others thoughts (rational and otherwise). The baby is thrown out with the bath water.

There's much to be said for a rational face to face discussion.

Originally Posted by whogo

I will confess I occasionally use the term Jew them down. I guess that could be insensitive depending on the audience.

Could be?


c'mon man!

[No_Recess]

Originally Posted by whogo

I will confess I occasionally use the term Jew them down. I guess that could be insensitive depending on the audience.

I don't get "offended" but that's horrible. Clearly a slight against Jewish culture.

[Rachel976]

Originally Posted by whogo

I will confess I occasionally use the term Jew them down. I guess that could be insensitive depending on the audience.

Originally Posted by No_Recess

I don't get "offended" but that's horrible. Clearly a slight against Jewish culture.

It's not a slight against Jewish culture. It's a slight against JEWS. There's a difference, but you can't see it.

[Rachel976]

Originally Posted by whogo

I will confess I occasionally use the term Jew them down. I guess that could be insensitive depending on the audience.

Insensitive? That's a disgustingly antisemtic remark.

[Catgirl64]

Originally Posted by whogo

I will confess I occasionally use the term Jew them down. I guess that could be insensitive depending on the audience.

"Could be insensitive depending on the audience?"

Ugh. It's worse than insensitive, no "could be" involved, and no, it does not depend on the audience.

[EveryLady]

Originally Posted by elyn02

There is no reason to bring up a conversation about Palestinians in a conversation about the Holocaust especially when it is being used for comparisons. But we should be able to have a conversation about the Palestinians without bringing up the topic of the Holocaust.

I responded to you earlier in terms of how item #7 was worded but I've found myself thinking more. The literal meaning of item #7 differed somewhat from ^^^ (and the below). In that context, item #7 could well demonstrate antisemitism - particularly if it was used to dismiss or downplay crimes against Jews.

But to now respond to your statement ... As already mentioned, it's pretty hard to have a conversation with a Palestinian without the topic of the Holocaust being raised. The Palestinian position is, of course, that the UN vote was influenced by the Holocaust and their land was as a result lost. They point out that Palestinians were not complicit in the Holocaust. Likewise, many Jews turns to the Holocaust as a reason why the Jewish people should have their own land. That the Jews should have their own land then is tied to various internal Israeli policies involving Palestinians. And so this continues to the present ...

The two are inextricably connected with no way to disconnect them. Therefore, I wrote:

No doubt some Jews (and those viewing it thru that lens) try to claim the high ground in terms of an historical "greater wrong;" no doubt some Palestinians (and those viewing it thru that lens) try to claim it on the basis of an ongoing situation and current actions.

This is a comparison - and there, too, you object. But it is pretty much the situation on the ground, to make a bad pun. I can appreciate why this might be an uncomfortable conversation for many and perhaps best avoided in most social situations.

But that does not make it antisemitic. Antisemitism cannot come to mean a discussion not from a Jewish perspective even it might be uncomfortable. I'm not Jewish but I feel that strongly for I've too much respect for the Jewish tradition of debate and of analysis and of dissent. That is, in fact, one reason why I'm drawn so strongly to Israel. There I never felt silenced - among Palestinians, yes, but not among Israelis.

That was an earlier period of my life. Maybe things have changed in Israel. At that time, many Israelis still felt cut-off from the West with few traveling like many do today. There was such a drive for connection.